2.15 GPA from a T4-screwed? Forum

[RVP11]

If T4 = top 4 law school, apply to smaller markets. Especially ones you have ties to. If you grew up in Omaha, I'm sure every Omaha firm would be stoked to have a Columbia grad, even if they have terrible grades.

LOL no. At any T14, a 2.15 would be an epic low GPA - so low, in fact, that they probably wouldn't let you graduate, and you would have the lowest ever GPA if you did graduate.

And secondary and tertiary market firms are generally pickier on grades than generic lower V50/V100 firms in New York.

2.0 to graduate. All it takes. Not all schools artificially raised grades retroactively a few terms back just for fun.

What are you talking about?

Some schools require a 2.3 (or higher) to graduate. I don't know what that has to do with "artificially" or "retroactively" raising grades.

[ToTransferOrNot]

If T4 = top 4 law school, apply to smaller markets. Especially ones you have ties to. If you grew up in Omaha, I'm sure every Omaha firm would be stoked to have a Columbia grad, even if they have terrible grades.

LOL no. At any T14, a 2.15 would be an epic low GPA - so low, in fact, that they probably wouldn't let you graduate, and you would have the lowest ever GPA if you did graduate.

And secondary and tertiary market firms are generally pickier on grades than generic lower V50/V100 firms in New York.

2.0 to graduate. All it takes. Not all schools artificially raised grades retroactively a few terms back just for fun.

lolololol

[kapachino]

Two of my favorite profs at my undergrad were JDs who went by "Dr." when they taught. One was an HLS grad who decided to teach poli sci, and the other was general counsel for the university.

I will bet good money that they had PhD's.

I'm willing to bet that you don't. :p They only had JDs.

[Anonymous User]

If T4 = top 4 law school, apply to smaller markets. Especially ones you have ties to. If you grew up in Omaha, I'm sure every Omaha firm would be stoked to have a Columbia grad, even if they have terrible grades.

LOL no. At any T14, a 2.15 would be an epic low GPA - so low, in fact, that they probably wouldn't let you graduate, and you would have the lowest ever GPA if you did graduate.

And secondary and tertiary market firms are generally pickier on grades than generic lower V50/V100 firms in New York.

2.0 to graduate. All it takes. Not all schools artificially raised grades retroactively a few terms back just for fun.

What are you talking about?


Some schools require a 2.3 (or higher) to graduate. I don't know what that has to do with "artificially" or "retroactively" raising grades.

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/03/loyola-l ... es-grades/
not the only one either.

[RVP11]

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/03/loyola-l ... es-grades/
not the only one either.

Everyone knows about Loyola. What I want to know is WTF that has to do with what I originally said.

[jurisx]

If you are too dumb to figure that out on your own, no one can help you anyways. Quit and go to B-school. I need coffee.

[Anonymous User]

The problem is that law is not an industry that heavily encourages self-promotion

lmao

Actually this is 100% spot on. It's almost verbatim language of an appellate court decision regarding this very matter.
The only reason many US lawyers don't use the term "Dr." is because based on the OLD rules of professional ethics and lawyer advertising it was deemed to be self-promotion and likely to confuse potential clients as to the lawyers qualifications.

However, with the new rules on lawyer advertising it has become quite acceptable for a law school graduate to use the term Dr. if he/she so chooses. The biggest caveat, as someone mentioned, is when the word Dr. is used for a lawyer that handles medical malpractice-or a situation where a prospective client may be led to believe the lawyer possess medical education.

Clearly, those of you "LOLing" have yet to master the Rules of Professional Responsibility, and clearly have never actually practiced. Don't go solely by information you get on TLS--99.99% of the people on this board don't have a single day of qualified legal experience, let alone enough real-world experience to justify dolling out advice based on the legal profession as a whole.
---off topic rant over----

If you've got a C- overall GPA from a crappy school you're in a terrible position. If you've got a C- GPA as a 3L and perhaps a 3.0 or better as a 1L and 2L then you're in a slightly less crappy situation.
But I think it's safe to say the law firm life is not going to be in your future.
High quality government work (PD/DA/AUSA) is probably out as well.
Public interest work may focus slightly less on GPA but they do rely heavily on your background and commitment to do that type of work. If you're just now realizing as a 3L that you don't have the credentials to make it in corporate America most public interest jobs are not going to let you just fall back into their type of work. That's not to say you can't apply, but in many areas any public interest job worth taking is actually fairly competitive.

Perhaps you should consider looking into jobs that require a 4 year degree but deal with compliance, or require contracts or negotiations. Your legal knowledge could be helpful but is not necessary. Many large corporations have legal affairs department that offer positions for people that are not lawyers. You may have a slight leg up over people that only have a 4 year degree.

[flcath]

I don't know if this OP is serious, but I actually suspect there are a bunch of people in the OP's position. I mean, in all seriousness, if you're clueless enough to go to a T4, you could end up just going through LS without ever applying for jobs until after graduation. That's what everyone at my UG did.

Someone in the OP's position should probably try to seek out a paralegal job at a large firm; these can start in the $40-$50K range and end up in the $60-75K range (or higher, rarely) by mid-career, and they typically hire B.A.s in poli sci shitheadery.

Otherwise, there are numerous mid-level jobs in sales and HR (the latter if you're a chick) that will hire JDs--the oft-touted discrimination against JDs (on the basis that they're just waiting to get legal jobs) for these spots doesn't really apply to unsophisticated companies at all, and the fact is that a substantial portion of JDs in America are working outside the legal industry.

[dailygrind]

Reminder: do not insult people from the cover of anonymity.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=170603

The anonymous feature is not meant to be used as a shield for voicing unpopular opinions, demeaning others, sock puppetry, or otherwise being a jerk.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

If you are too dumb to figure that out on your own, no one can help you anyways. Quit and go to B-school. I need coffee.

You're being a dick and an idiot. RVP11 was responding to a post that was giving an answer based on if OP had meant top 4 school. In RVP's response he said that having OP's GPA at a t14 would mean he would have a ridiculously low GPA, prob not high enough to graduate. Whoever brought up GPA inflation and loyola were bringing up tangential points. If you go to a T14 (or know of a T14) where a 2.15 could graduate or not be a ridiculously low GPA, then that would be relevant. Stop being such an awful poster.

[jurisx]

If T4 = top 4 law school, apply to smaller markets. Especially ones you have ties to. If you grew up in Omaha, I'm sure every Omaha firm would be stoked to have a Columbia grad, even if they have terrible grades.

LOL no. At any T14, a 2.15 would be an epic low GPA - so low, in fact, that they probably wouldn't let you graduate, and you would have the lowest ever GPA if you did graduate.

And secondary and tertiary market firms are generally pickier on grades than generic lower V50/V100 firms in New York.

2.0 to graduate. All it takes. Not all schools artificially raised grades retroactively a few terms back just for fun.

What are you talking about?

Some schools require a 2.3 (or higher) to graduate. I don't know what that has to do with "artificially" or "retroactively" raising grades.

you say "everyone knows about them a few posts down but here you say you don't know of any? Which is it?

[Anonymous User]

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/03/loyola-l ... es-grades/
not the only one either.

Everyone knows about Loyola. What I want to know is WTF that has to do with what I originally said.

Refer to your other post. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/03/loyola-l ... es-grades/
not the only one either.

Everyone knows about Loyola. What I want to know is WTF that has to do with what I originally said.

Refer to your other post. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Your posts show such a strong grasp of what was previously said. Btw, when did loyola become a t14 school? That's such great news for the school!!

[jurisx]

http://abovethelaw.com/2010/03/loyola-l ... es-grades/
not the only one either.

Everyone knows about Loyola. What I want to know is WTF that has to do with what I originally said.

Refer to your other post. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Your posts show such a strong grasp of what was previously said. Btw, when did loyola become a t14 school? That's such great news for the school!!

No one said it was. Seperate issue. I also didn't say it was a donkey. Point?

[Richie Tenenbaum]

Everyone knows about Loyola. What I want to know is WTF that has to do with what I originally said.

Refer to your other post. You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

Your posts show such a strong grasp of what was previously said. Btw, when did loyola become a t14 school? That's such great news for the school!!

No one said it was. Seperate issue. I also didn't say it was a donkey. Point?

You really can't understand this? RVP explicitly said "T14" in his original post and was responding to a response of another poster that was treating T4 to mean top 4.

Also-stop abusing anon.

[Anonymous User]

I am the OP, you don't know what I meant at all so stop acting like it.

4th Tier. I meant that.

[Richie Tenenbaum]

I am the OP, you don't know what I meant at all so stop acting like it.

4th Tier. I meant that.

Dear god. There was a tangent conversation about what would be the situation if you were at a top 4 school. RVP was pointing out a problem with thinking you went to a top 4 school. Most people in this thread properly assumed you went to a TTTT. You're derailing your own thread by misconstruing a response and trying to argue about it.

[RVP11]

What a twist! The idiotic anonymous poster is someone who has a pitiful GPA from a fourth tier law school.

[Anonymous User]

What a twist! The idiotic anonymous poster is someone who has a pitiful GPA from a fourth tier law school.

No twist. Said it to begin with. Whole point of the thread. If you just figured it out now, congrats. You are even dumber than the 4th Tier low GPA student. Congrats.

[flcath]

What a twist! The idiotic anonymous poster is someone who has a pitiful GPA from a fourth tier law school.

No twist. Said it to begin with. Whole point of the thread. If you just figured it out now, congrats. You are even dumber than the 4th Tier low GPA student. Congrats.

Your options outside the law will be more attractive than inside it. Which shouldn't make you feel like a failure: lots of JD holders work in non-law jobs.

As it stands, your odds of a good legal career are slim. If you're really "into" being a lawyer, then apply to a bunch of ID and PI firms after you pass the bar in whatever state you want to live in. If you think you could get really "into" being a prosecutor/PD, then start interning at said PD/prosecutor's office and working a side job (this could seriously be waitressing or delivering pizzas), and there's a good chance you can land one in good time.

Good luck, dude!

[Anonymous User]

Thanks