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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby IAFG » Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:46 pm

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Desert Fox wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Interested to know how a "cold offer" is made. Any insight?


It only happens at firms that always keep 100% and where the person can actually find a different job. So I wouldn't worry if you aren't V10 SA.

ITE people just accept cold offers at average firms.


Is this correct?

No one really knows but that won't slow DF down.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:49 pm

So one of my fellow SA's is a total ass and has made some really shitty comments to me this summer disguised as jokes. Today's incident was especially offensive... I've been just ignoring him but I'm sick of it and pissed off. Do I tell my adviser?

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby bjsesq » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So one of my fellow SA's is a total ass and has made some really shitty comments to me this summer disguised as jokes. Today's incident was especially offensive... I've been just ignoring him but I'm sick of it and pissed off. Do I tell my adviser?


Be more specific about what happened and I can tell you.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:56 pm

bjsesq wrote:
Be more specific about what happened and I can tell you.



Asking me stupid questions so he can make an insulting comment about my expression, asking inappropriately personal questions... today he criticized my appearance.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Ludo! » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:02 pm

Obviously he's got a crush on you

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby sundance95 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:08 pm

Have you considered telling him to fuck off? That might be more mature than telling on him

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby bjsesq » Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:11 pm

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bjsesq wrote:
Be more specific about what happened and I can tell you.



Asking me stupid questions so he can make an insulting comment about my expression, asking inappropriately personal questions... today he criticized my appearance.


Were I in your position, I would make it clear that you wanted it to stop (to him). Let him know that you are willing to move up the chain if you have to, but really want to avoid that step. If he doesn't stop, then make good on the threat. Just an imo.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby jd20132013 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:12 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
Be more specific about what happened and I can tell you.



Asking me stupid questions so he can make an insulting comment about my expression, asking inappropriately personal questions... today he criticized my appearance.



i assume that he's a guy and you're a woman


get him no-offered

first, because it'd be hilarious
second, it'd be for his own good because he really needs to learn that thats a line you don't want to get close to in the professional world

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby r6_philly » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:14 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
bjsesq wrote:
Be more specific about what happened and I can tell you.



Asking me stupid questions so he can make an insulting comment about my expression, asking inappropriately personal questions... today he criticized my appearance.


Did your firm not force you to watch a harassment video? This sounds like the exact scenario that mine depicted.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:29 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Interested to know how a "cold offer" is made. Any insight?


It only happens at firms that always keep 100% and where the person can actually find a different job. So I wouldn't worry if you aren't V10 SA.

ITE people just accept cold offers at average firms.


At least one cold offer has already gone out this summer. V100 NYC, not V10. And not an "acceptable" cold offer either.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby clone22 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:31 pm

If I may ask, what exactly is a "cold offer"?

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:32 pm

100% offers to 100+ SAs as of Thursday. V50. Ready to enjoy 3L!

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby chadwick218 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:35 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So here is what I was told today:

(1) Every feedback has been positive
(2) People like me very much
(3) I have done the best job an SA could have done
(4) Since the hiring committee will not meet until early Sept, you should still do 3L OCI at your T10 school. (I was assured that every SA was told so.)

From a V firm with 700+ lawyers.

I don't like it.


Firm?

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby chadwick218 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:37 pm

clone22 wrote:If I may ask, what exactly is a "cold offer"?


Firm extends offer but either tells you directly or the writing on the wall clearly suggests that it would be better if you look at other opportunities.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby monkey85 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 6:46 pm

chadwick218 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So here is what I was told today:

(1) Every feedback has been positive
(2) People like me very much
(3) I have done the best job an SA could have done
(4) Since the hiring committee will not meet until early Sept, you should still do 3L OCI at your T10 school. (I was assured that every SA was told so.)

From a V firm with 700+ lawyers.

I don't like it.


Firm?


I am not looking for anything as specific as the Firm name - but what "V" range/level? Also, any specific practice area focuses? This will help us gauge just how likely they are to sink or swim in the current economy.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 27, 2012 7:30 pm

At a mid-law firm that didn't offer their summer last year. I'll still be working until August 17. The August partners' meeting is August 13. This is like death by a thousand cuts.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:55 pm

chadwick218 wrote:
clone22 wrote:If I may ask, what exactly is a "cold offer"?


Firm extends offer but either tells you directly or the writing on the wall clearly suggests that it would be better if you look at other opportunities.


What does "clearly suggests" mean here? Can you give an example of a cold offer?

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby goodolgil » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
chadwick218 wrote:
clone22 wrote:If I may ask, what exactly is a "cold offer"?


Firm extends offer but either tells you directly or the writing on the wall clearly suggests that it would be better if you look at other opportunities.


What does "clearly suggests" mean here? Can you give an example of a cold offer?


Just think Potter Stewart and hardcore porn.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby rad lulz » Fri Jul 27, 2012 9:39 pm

monkey85 wrote:
chadwick218 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So here is what I was told today:

(1) Every feedback has been positive
(2) People like me very much
(3) I have done the best job an SA could have done
(4) Since the hiring committee will not meet until early Sept, you should still do 3L OCI at your T10 school. (I was assured that every SA was told so.)

From a V firm with 700+ lawyers.

I don't like it.


Firm?


I am not looking for anything as specific as the Firm name - but what "V" range/level? Also, any specific practice area focuses? This will help us gauge just how likely they are to sink or swim in the current economy.

I want a firm name. V range is a step above meaningless.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby keg411 » Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Interested to know how a "cold offer" is made. Any insight?


It only happens at firms that always keep 100% and where the person can actually find a different job. So I wouldn't worry if you aren't V10 SA.

ITE people just accept cold offers at average firms.


At least one cold offer has already gone out this summer. V100 NYC, not V10. And not an "acceptable" cold offer either.


Would be curious which firm.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby desertlaw » Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:16 pm

V15 offer today. My grades went way, way down since after 1L. And it never came up. 3L will be even better...

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:38 am

r6_philly wrote:Did your firm not force you to watch a harassment video?


Wait, do firms actually do this? That seems insane to me.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:05 am

rad lulz wrote:
monkey85 wrote:
chadwick218 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So here is what I was told today:

(1) Every feedback has been positive
(2) People like me very much
(3) I have done the best job an SA could have done
(4) Since the hiring committee will not meet until early Sept, you should still do 3L OCI at your T10 school. (I was assured that every SA was told so.)

From a V firm with 700+ lawyers.

I don't like it.


Firm?


I am not looking for anything as specific as the Firm name - but what "V" range/level? Also, any specific practice area focuses? This will help us gauge just how likely they are to sink or swim in the current economy.

I want a firm name. V range is a step above meaningless.


I'm the other anon from Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:23 am. V50 firm, 700+, major market. Told to do OCI because the paperwork to make offers won't be done until early-mid Sept., but to call them if I get an offer elsewhere and they'll strongly wink.

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:28 am

One week left in my SA. I'm with a large firm(V100), but in a small office (25+) that hasn't had an SA in several years. The person that was supposed to act as the "go-between" has been MIA since week 1. I was busy this summer, I got a lot of interesting, legit work - however, I never received any feedback of any kind. There have been no talks of reviews.

I feel like I did some quality work this summer. I didn't shit in anyone's face. While I can't point to any instance that would lead to a "no offer", I can't point to a situation where I really earned the job either.

I'm just venting really - the difference between receiving an offer and a "no offer" is just so huge....

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Re: ITT: Summer Associates Post About Their Anxiety (2012)

Postby IAFG » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:10 am

Anonymous User wrote:
I'm the other anon from Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:23 am. V50 firm, 700+, major market. Told to do OCI because the paperwork to make offers won't be done until early-mid Sept., but to call them if I get an offer elsewhere and they'll strongly wink.

Doesn't this make you feel like you have to get a 3L offer to get an offer from them?!?!




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