molomloch wrote:Care to back your rudeness up with some ideas? It's interesting that so far the people who have claimed to "disagree with me" have all been from less than stellar law schools. Why is a forum called top law schools flooded with a bunch of TTToilet trolls? Northwestern kid agrees with what I'm saying - T3-Lebowski / Mr. Uconn don't. Interesting pattern!
Wow, I thought you were just an idiot who was talking out of his ass, but it turns out you're an asshole too.
Also, if you aspire to be a public defender, good luck equating school ranking with intelligence and waving your T1 diploma in everyone's face. I can tell you from experience that PDs really value elitism and the practice of making inferences about people based upon their backgrounds.
+1. Seriously, holy shit is the cognitive dissonance strong with that guy. Makes me wonder if he isn't a troll. As a "T-10 student" going into public defense... the very last thing I have ever dreamed of doing is waiving my school name at people as if it somehow qualifies me for anything to do with public defense. All of the PD's I know are the most humble people I've ever met. If they weren't humble before they started their work, their work made them humble very fast. If you're smart and privileged enough to get into a top law school, good for you. Most of my friends that are public defenders heard that I'm going to Berkeley and can't believe I'd want to be a PD after graduation. They see the money of a biglaw job opportunity and ask me why in the hell I wouldn't want to do that. Hell, the number one pressure I have to do the firm side of OCI this August is my dad, and he runs an office of public defenders.
It's awesome being able to interview with a PD office and have them not even ask for my transcript, but quite frankly I don't think it's fair to expect that someone will be a better PD applicant just because their JD comes from a brand name. In fact, based on the many PD's I know, the stereotype of the top schools as overly academic is true more often than not. My classmates - and God bless them for being awesome people I am proud to be friends with - are mostly terrified of public speaking. There is a pocket full of us who are into PD work, and we're all for it, but I have to imagine the number of people who can hold their own in court is larger at the less "elite" schools.
Take your T-10 degree and stuff it, Molomloch. You're not shit just because you got into a certain school. Learn how to talk to people without making yourself sound better than everyone in the room. You better know your evidence and be able to win in court, cause a school name doesn't mean dirt compared to proven trial advocacy skills at these "legit" offices.
I disagree with the notion that more "legit" public defender's offices pay more. Yeah, I know that San Francisco pays a lot, but are they really more legitimate than any other office? You have yet to respond to this with anything beyond your imaginative speculation. Have you ever set foot in a PD office? Ever interned in one?
SF is blessed with a progressive cultural pressure that does not exist on such an extreme level almost anywhere else in the country. They have damn good lawyers, but it's because they can afford to pay them highly and discriminate for those skills. They even have a city-wide elected
head defender. I don't know of anywhere else in the country where such a thing happens. Fundamentally, Molomloch is right to say that "better" offices are more competitive, but it's because of factors that are largely outside the influence of the office itself. Your office is either lucky enough to be super well funded and in an area attractive to younger people (read: big cities and an unusually attractive suburban area), or it's not.