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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby FlanAl » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:26 pm

yeah i figured that. i was just trying to figure out if these numbers correspond somewhat to the go-to schools list. I mean trying to somehow get excited for 1% growth but I don't think hardly any of it came from fresh grads. If someone thinks otherwise I'd be pretty happy to hear about it haha.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby LawIdiot86 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:32 pm

FlanAl wrote:yeah i figured that. i was just trying to figure out if these numbers correspond somewhat to the go-to schools list. I mean trying to somehow get excited for 1% growth but I don't think hardly any of it came from fresh grads. If someone thinks otherwise I'd be pretty happy to hear about it haha.


At least 1,000 of that looks like pure international acquisition. I suspect the remainder of it is purchases like Arnold & Porter scooping up that CA-based firm. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a net negative of individual associates in years 1-3 after accounting for all possible changes (promotions to year 4, exits, new hires, laterals).

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby FlanAl » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:35 pm

what i figured. thanks!

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby duckmoney » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:37 pm

rad lulz wrote:
duckmoney wrote:The NLJ 250 is just usually known for putting reputable firms on its list.

Bro it's just the size, being reputable has nothing to do with it.


I get that it's just size, I just feel like every firm on there up to this point has been fairly reputable and sophisticated. Maybe I've just overlooked the shitlaw mills on the list before or didn't recognize them since they tend to be fairly local.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:55 am

This just made researching where to mass-mail a whole lot easier.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby rad lulz » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:09 am

HeavenWood wrote:This just made researching where to mass-mail a whole lot easier.

There are some firms that are effectively large firms in my market that aren't on here. Don't know what yours is like.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby shoeshine » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:11 am

rad lulz wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:This just made researching where to mass-mail a whole lot easier.

There are some firms that are effectively large firms in my market that aren't on here. Don't know what yours is like.

+1

NALP Directory is still the #1 source for mass mailing

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby HeavenWood » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:11 am

rad lulz wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:This just made researching where to mass-mail a whole lot easier.

There are some firms that are effectively large firms in my market that aren't on here. Don't know what yours is like.

It covers most of the principle ones. Missing a couple of the smaller market-paying mid-laws, along with a few boutiques.


shoeshine wrote:NALP Directory is still the #1 source for mass mailing

I'm officially addicted to this site. Jones Day pays $145k in Pittsburgh? Hiyooooo.....

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby IAFG » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:26 am

rad lulz wrote:
StarLightSpectre wrote:I wonder if there will be a "NLJ 350 Go to school list) that would be interesting to see.

Since the smallest firm is 116 people, it will roughly correspond to the law school reporting category of "Firms off 100+"

True, but that information isn't always out there. I think a go-to 350 is going to show more differentiation in schools 15-30, reflecting which schools are getting people into "local biglaw" and which schools just faceplant.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby rad lulz » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:31 am

IAFG wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
StarLightSpectre wrote:I wonder if there will be a "NLJ 350 Go to school list) that would be interesting to see.

Since the smallest firm is 116 people, it will roughly correspond to the law school reporting category of "Firms off 100+"

True, but that information isn't always out there. I think a go-to 350 is going to show more differentiation in schools 15-30, reflecting which schools are getting people into "local biglaw" and which schools just faceplant.

Will this tell us something we can't learn from comparing the NLJ250 to firms to 100+?

It def. will matter for schools that don't make statistics accessible (UT, though we have them), and Woostle (which has not poasted them).

In any case, I'm definitely in favor of moar datas.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby IAFG » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:34 am

rad lulz wrote:
IAFG wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
StarLightSpectre wrote:I wonder if there will be a "NLJ 350 Go to school list) that would be interesting to see.

Since the smallest firm is 116 people, it will roughly correspond to the law school reporting category of "Firms off 100+"

True, but that information isn't always out there. I think a go-to 350 is going to show more differentiation in schools 15-30, reflecting which schools are getting people into "local biglaw" and which schools just faceplant.

Will this tell us something we can't learn from comparing the NLJ250 to firms to 100+?

It def. will matter for schools that don't make statistics accessible (UT, though we have them), and Woostle (which has not poasted them).

In any case, I'm definitely in favor of moar datas.

Plus, like, I'm just lazy. I wanna see it compiled by NLJ. Though kudos to Rayiner's tireless obsessing.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby rad lulz » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:40 am

IAFG wrote:Plus, like, I'm just lazy.

This. I can get behind this.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby shoeshine » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:42 am

rad lulz wrote:This. I can get behind this.

That's what he said?

**That was stupid. I am going to bed.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby run26.2 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:49 am

rad lulz wrote:
duckmoney wrote:I'm just baffled that Morgan and Morgan made the list.

http://www.forthepeople.com/

I'm not. They're massive. It's a shitty mill though.

Apparently Charlie Crist works for them.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby rad lulz » Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:55 am

run26.2 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
duckmoney wrote:I'm just baffled that Morgan and Morgan made the list.

http://www.forthepeople.com/

I'm not. They're massive. It's a shitty mill though.

Apparently Charlie Crist works for them.

Lol. Probably makes a fuckton of money though.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby rad lulz » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:02 am

Morgan and Morgan hiring Charlie Crist is like the poor man's version of Ballantine Bushby hiring Thomas Dewey.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:29 am

i'd like to hear more speculation about the firms that lost a lot of lawyers.

room for concern?

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby duckmoney » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:48 am

run26.2 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
duckmoney wrote:I'm just baffled that Morgan and Morgan made the list.

http://www.forthepeople.com/

I'm not. They're massive. It's a shitty mill though.

Apparently Charlie Crist works for them.


As we learned in 2010, Christ is TTT.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby TTRansfer » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:24 am

Desert Fox wrote:
duckmoney wrote:I'm just baffled that Morgan and Morgan made the list.

http://www.forthepeople.com/


I'm baffled that more Shit Law firms merge into mega firms. Be the walmart of slip and falls.


Hahahahahahaha

Get all those old ladies lined up. Do they have a greater? Maybe a former client?

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby TTRansfer » Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:27 am

rad lulz wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:This just made researching where to mass-mail a whole lot easier.

There are some firms that are effectively large firms in my market that aren't on here. Don't know what yours is like.


Same. Though most of them are now listed on this, a few somewhat larger ones are still out there where I'm at.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby LawIdiot86 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:01 am

TTRansfer wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
HeavenWood wrote:This just made researching where to mass-mail a whole lot easier.

There are some firms that are effectively large firms in my market that aren't on here. Don't know what yours is like.


Same. Though most of them are now listed on this, a few somewhat larger ones are still out there where I'm at.


Yes, it's helpful, but NALP (and I know I'm the only one who thinks so, but Leadership Directories) do fill in a lot of blanks. For example:

Cohen & Wolf, 50 lawyers, 2 summers from CT, 90k starting, NALP
Shulman, Rogers, 92 lawyers, 1-2 summers, unknown starting, non-NALP, LD
Semmes, Bowen & Semmes, 73 lawyers, 3-4 summers, unknown starting, non-NALP, LD
Motley Rice, 60 lawyers, 5-7 summers from NC/SC, 70-80k starting, non-NALP, LD
Pullman & Comley, 82 lawyers, 2-3 summers from national, 105k starting, NALP
Whiteman Osterman & Hanna, 74 lawyers, 2 summers, 82k starting, NALP
Hahn & Hessen, 53 lawyers, 2-4 summers, 145k starting, NALP

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby LawIdiot86 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:29 am

Anonymous User wrote:i'd like to hear more speculation about the firms that lost a lot of lawyers.

room for concern?


This was in my original post. Can anyone shed some light on it?

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby jeeptiger09 » Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:33 am

duckmoney wrote:
run26.2 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
duckmoney wrote:I'm just baffled that Morgan and Morgan made the list.

http://www.forthepeople.com/

I'm not. They're massive. It's a shitty mill though.

Apparently Charlie Crist works for them.


As we learned in 2010, Christ is TTT.


Subtle anti-religion trolling?

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby duckmoney » Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:24 pm

jeeptiger09 wrote:
duckmoney wrote:As we learned in 2010, Christ is TTT.


Subtle anti-religion trolling?


I wasn't, but autocorrect might be.

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Re: 2012 NLJ 350

Postby rad lulz » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:12 pm

duckmoney wrote:
jeeptiger09 wrote:
duckmoney wrote:As we learned in 2010, Christ is TTT.


Subtle anti-religion trolling?


I wasn't, but autocorrect might be.

Enjoy hell you heathen.




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