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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby target » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:10 pm

Agent wrote:I'll update if anyone reminds me of something I missed. I think all surveys/lists are the most current versions available. I know some of this is old and some isn't really what you're looking for, but regardless, HTH.

Also, you might want to consider asking for input over at intelproplaw forums or the GreedyIP and GreedyAssociates boards.



This is amazing. Thanks.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby 09042014 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:16 pm

I'd worry about how good they are after you get an offer. I'd focus on how big their practice is, do you have a background they look at, and how selective they are.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby run26.2 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:29 pm

r6_philly wrote:My OCI bidding happens after the PLIP interview schedule is released. I assume I should not bid on the same firms that already gave me a preselect at PLIP? If I don't get a callback at PLIP, would it make sense to try again at OCI? Especially for the top GP firms.

The true boutiques (the three Fs) will not be hard to get at your OCI. There were not enough students with technical backgrounds to fill up the slots. Firms like K&E and WH will be much harder to get at OCI. And you will stand out far more at OCI with a tech degree in front of another technical person (e.g. interviewing with Fish) and where some people that signed up may have the degree but not be interested in patents than you will interviewing where everyone has a technical degree.

So what I'm saying is, bid the GP firms higher at PLIP. You'll get the boutiques firms at OCI.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby 09042014 » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:37 pm

run26.2 wrote:
r6_philly wrote:My OCI bidding happens after the PLIP interview schedule is released. I assume I should not bid on the same firms that already gave me a preselect at PLIP? If I don't get a callback at PLIP, would it make sense to try again at OCI? Especially for the top GP firms.

The true boutiques (the three Fs) will not be hard to get at your OCI. There were not enough students with technical backgrounds to fill up the slots. Firms like K&E and WH will be much harder to get at OCI. And you will stand out far more at OCI with a tech degree in front of another technical person (e.g. interviewing with Fish) and where some people that signed up may have the degree but not be interested in patents than you will interviewing where everyone has a technical degree.

So what I'm saying is, bid the GP firms higher at PLIP. You'll get the boutiques firms at OCI.


Yep. Good advice.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby stratocophic » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:49 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
run26.2 wrote:
r6_philly wrote:My OCI bidding happens after the PLIP interview schedule is released. I assume I should not bid on the same firms that already gave me a preselect at PLIP? If I don't get a callback at PLIP, would it make sense to try again at OCI? Especially for the top GP firms.

The true boutiques (the three Fs) will not be hard to get at your OCI. There were not enough students with technical backgrounds to fill up the slots. Firms like K&E and WH will be much harder to get at OCI. And you will stand out far more at OCI with a tech degree in front of another technical person (e.g. interviewing with Fish) and where some people that signed up may have the degree but not be interested in patents than you will interviewing where everyone has a technical degree.

So what I'm saying is, bid the GP firms higher at PLIP. You'll get the boutiques firms at OCI.


Yep. Good advice.
And for those of you who aren't T14, make sure the firm actually comes to your OCI or one of your school's off-campus interview programs before you follow this advice.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby r6_philly » Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:52 pm

run26.2 wrote:The true boutiques (the three Fs) will not be hard to get at your OCI. There were not enough students with technical backgrounds to fill up the slots. Firms like K&E and WH will be much harder to get at OCI. And you will stand out far more at OCI with a tech degree in front of another technical person (e.g. interviewing with Fish) and where some people that signed up may have the degree but not be interested in patents than you will interviewing where everyone has a technical degree.

So what I'm saying is, bid the GP firms higher at PLIP. You'll get the boutiques firms at OCI.


Thanks! I believe I have all the V100 firms with offices I can live with covered. There aren't really that many of them, and most of them are asking you to only bid one office and rank the preference in the cover letter.

I suppose I can cover the V10 at school with my top 10 bids. :mrgreen:

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:05 am

when you say "bid higher" what exactly do you mean?

we're given 32 bids for PLIP but I don't think there's any sort of "priority" to them?

am i right or am i wrong?

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby r6_philly » Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:34 am

Anonymous User wrote:when you say "bid higher" what exactly do you mean?

we're given 32 bids for PLIP but I don't think there's any sort of "priority" to them?

am i right or am i wrong?


There is no priority as far as I understand it. They review your resume and give you interviews. The bids are alphabetized and you can't really rank them anyway. Maybe he was thinking about OCI bids with rank. Anyhow, don't give up the GP firms for boutiques when you are running out of bids. I went and looked up stats from last 2 OCI at my school, and in deed some of the boutiques have open slots after bidding. We get 50 or 60 bids, I am sure I can use my later bids on boutiques. Unless your school is swimming with patent bar eligible students.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:59 pm

what kind of references do they want? can it be something other than profs? and how many generally?


also, if the firm doesn't indicate the need for a cover letter, don't include it right? it would be too overkill to include one?

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby stratocophic » Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:what kind of references do they want? can it be something other than profs? and how many generally?


also, if the firm doesn't indicate the need for a cover letter, don't include it right? it would be too overkill to include one?
No CL needed if they don't ask for one. References can be professors, former bosses, standard stuff. I'd include both professors and professional references if you can, and 2 or 3 will be sufficient.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:45 pm

Re location preference ranking


Firms, like Alston Bird and Jones Day, ask for a cover letter of ranking location preferences when one is interested in multiple locations.

Does firms expect a formal letter up to the scale of formality of a professional cover letter? Or a simple chart will be adequate? Or in the middle?

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby Agent » Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:47 pm

target wrote:This is amazing. Thanks.


Np. Tweaked it a bit to make IP firms easier to locate, but nothing new yet:
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?mode=quote&f=23&p=5427472&hilit=#p5427472

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Re location preference ranking


Firms, like Alston Bird and Jones Day, ask for a cover letter of ranking location preferences when one is interested in multiple locations.

Does firms expect a formal letter up to the scale of formality of a professional cover letter? Or a simple chart will be adequate? Or in the middle?
List of 1 through whatever ranking them is fine, that's what I used and I got interviews with both.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby target » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:12 pm

Desert Fox wrote:I'd worry about how good they are after you get an offer. I'd focus on how big their practice is, do you have a background they look at, and how selective they are.


I am trying to use the ranking to guess the selectivity among firms. I mean besides the top 25%, 30%, etc, there is not much I can use to assess how selective a firm is.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby justhoping » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:41 pm

stratocophic wrote: References can be professors, former bosses, standard stuff. I'd include both professors and professional references if you can, and 2 or 3 will be sufficient.


I didn't think we need to include references with our resume?

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby wiseowl » Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:51 pm

justhoping wrote:
stratocophic wrote: References can be professors, former bosses, standard stuff. I'd include both professors and professional references if you can, and 2 or 3 will be sufficient.


I didn't think we need to include references with our resume?


Some firms at PLIP ask for them. You wouldn't generally need them.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby 09042014 » Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:54 am

target wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:I'd worry about how good they are after you get an offer. I'd focus on how big their practice is, do you have a background they look at, and how selective they are.


I am trying to use the ranking to guess the selectivity among firms. I mean besides the top 25%, 30%, etc, there is not much I can use to assess how selective a firm is.


Don't listen to what firms say on their application page in simplicity. It is total bullshit. Sometimes it's randomly too high, sometimes too low.

If you are at a T14, I wouldn't not apply to a firm because you think it is too good. No matter what your grades.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby angrybird » Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:01 am

Acceptable Credentials:
Biochemistry, Biotechnology, Chemical Engineering, Chemistry, Genetics, Immunology, Molecular Biology

not cool, WSGR

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby run26.2 » Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:02 am

angrybird wrote:
Acceptable Credentials:
Biochemistry, Biotechnology, Chemical Engineering, Chemistry, Genetics, Immunology, Molecular Biology

not cool, WSGR

That's like the one firm that takes those credentials.













Kidding. Sort of.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby r6_philly » Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:38 pm

They must have half the Boalt students on speed dial?

I guess no Wilson for me. No! Wilson ...

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby target » Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:57 pm

Re WSGR: their advance degree/WE combo requirements are insane as well.

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby angrybird » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:01 pm

target wrote:Re WSGR: their advance degree/WE combo requirements are insane as well.

i think that's fairly standard for biochem

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby soccerfreak » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:05 pm

So which firms are known for hiring physics degrees with no w/e? :lol:

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby 09042014 » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:06 pm

Does WSGR do no EE stuff?

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Re: Loyola Patent Fair 2012

Postby r6_philly » Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:14 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Does WSGR do no EE stuff?


They do, but doesn't look like they are hiring, I am shocked. I am directly applying anyway.
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