Anonymous User wrote:
I'm going to pull the "3L" card here and say this: having a skeptical attitude about job prospects going in is incredibly useful. C/O 2011's horrific OCI was going on while I was a 1L. I didn't have the relative mountain of data that you guys do now. So I made conservative assumptions. I assumed that I needed to finish top 1/3 to get a job. When it came time for OCI, I did over 50 screeners between Loyola and OCI. I spent 1L summer talking to as many people as I could who might be able to get my resume in front of someone. In the end it was massive overkill, because C/O 2012's OCI went much better than C/O 2011's, but I can't say being a skeptic did anything about help me in the end. I don't know a single skeptical gunner who doesn't have a firm job in my class.
I think it is incredibly dangerous when people like Scrabble underestimate their competition because they're asking what the social scene is like on a TLS thread. For C/O 2011, 1/4 of people ended up with crappy jobs even at schools that melted down less than Michigan. It is very easy to be in that group if you underestimate your peers.
I think Scrabble is only insinuating that there is and should be no social life in law school. I'd attest to the same general thought process.
I understand where Scrabble is coming from with his general statements. A lot of people that enter the legal profession are not gunners. It was smart of you to go in front of 50 screeners. I think that some of us, myself included obviously, are merely saying that some of us that are seeking out law school right now are already going into it with that mentality. Placing so much importance on only the CSO is wrong. They should be an aid. But you are the driver of you, so to speak.
People who want to think about the social scene of law school should really re-examine why they want to go to law school.
If you think how well you do has anything to do with how much you socialize, then you are at risk of falling into a dangerous trap. Doing well in law school is all about how quickly you figure out the game. 95% of your grades can be attributed to the last one month before finals. The rest of the semester, you have plenty of time to socialize. Some people choose to or not, depending on their personalities, but everybody guns the last month and grades end up having little to do with how much people were out drinking in September or October.
Also, as someone who went to engineering school, law school has been one of the most fun experiences of my life. I've met great, down-to-earth people, made fun of a lot of uptight douchebags, met my fiancé, and spent 1L in an alcohol-induced haze. None of that affected my grades or my job hunting.
Oh I don't disagree with your general assessment in both of your comments. I am saying that law school, to those of us not in it, is a whole new ballgame and since it's a new ballgame, we won't know how well we know/get the game until we're there. Attending mock classes during tour visits starts to get you engaged in the process, but until you're in it, you won't know whether it's for you or not. That's part of the gamble. I also meant that people shouldn't be having much of a social life due to the fact that most drinks in large cities cost on average $10 and so you really can't be complaining about debt when you are spending $50 a night on avg. or so. Obviously this will change based on the person and their financial stability.
I've gone to various schools, for various reasons, and so my ties are general in nature (resume experience in multiple regions) and so I'm less worried about the where and more worried about the "any" job aspect. And I don't mean worried, but like you said, am flexible and will treat my situation as I did with applying to schools. You apply to reaches, you apply to avg. that can get you reaches down the line and then you apply to safeties that are within your comfort zone. That's my general mentality at least. And I think that there are some people that will perform solid whether they go to a T14 vs. a TTTT and it's up to that person in conjunction with their CSO to make it happen.
I really see rebirth going on in the legal industry, but I also am not "banking" on the short-term interests and instead am looking for outlier years (7 yrs or so) in my general assessment. I think you should do that with multiple industries.