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- donzoli
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Summer Associate Success
Does anyone know of any good resources or literature that covers what it takes to be a successful summer associate? I have read the follow and I enjoyed it, so I am looking for something similar. Thanks.
http://books.google.com/books?id=x1gjXcLLS1cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=curmudgeon's+guide+to+law&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WrhnT5XUN6b30gHI9rn6CA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=curmudgeon's%20guide%20to%20law&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=x1gjXcLLS1cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=curmudgeon's+guide+to+law&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WrhnT5XUN6b30gHI9rn6CA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=curmudgeon's%20guide%20to%20law&f=false
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Re: Summer Associate Success
Tucker Max is the man
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Does it say, or does anybody know, what does Tucker Max do for a living now?
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Anonymous User wrote:Does it say, or does anybody know, what does Tucker Max do for a living now?
Writes and goes on speaking tours.
- drdolittle
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Re: Summer Associate Success
Anonymous User wrote:Does it say, or does anybody know, what does Tucker Max do for a living now?
Stuff like this. LOL at Maxxx's expression at around 3:40, ugh. Then how he just gets up and leaves the interview with tail b/w legs after that bombastic BS story. This guy calls himself a writer and funny.

"Tucker Max gets called out on The Opie & Anthony Show"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAbreeMofRg
- erico
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Re: Summer Associate Success
donzoli wrote:Does anyone know of any good resources or literature that covers what it takes to be a successful summer associate? I have read the follow and I enjoyed it, so I am looking for something similar. Thanks.
http://books.google.com/books?id=x1gjXcLLS1cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=curmudgeon's+guide+to+law&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WrhnT5XUN6b30gHI9rn6CA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=curmudgeon's%20guide%20to%20law&f=false
Everyone needs to read this.
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bump. i could use some insight as well.
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erico wrote:donzoli wrote:Does anyone know of any good resources or literature that covers what it takes to be a successful summer associate? I have read the follow and I enjoyed it, so I am looking for something similar. Thanks.
http://books.google.com/books?id=x1gjXcLLS1cC&printsec=frontcover&dq=curmudgeon's+guide+to+law&hl=en&sa=X&ei=WrhnT5XUN6b30gHI9rn6CA&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=curmudgeon's%20guide%20to%20law&f=false
Everyone needs to read this.
For serious. I just looked up that book in our library and it's available. Checking it out now. From what I've read so far (it's a tiny book), a small portion of the advice is outdated. For example, the author seems to have an aversion to computerized legal research but even so the gist of that section is correct: start your research with a secondary source, THEN type in some search words (perhaps no secondary sources were available on Lexis/Westlaw in 2006?). Otherwise, this stuff looks like gold to me.
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Re: Summer Associate Success
http://abovethelaw.com/2011/05/career-center-essential-reading-for-the-summer-associate-because-you-dont-read-enough-already/
Top 5 Tips for Incoming SA's http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=155445
Digest of Great Ideas - http://devel-drupal.law.csuohio.edu/lawlibrary/resources/lawpubs/ClerkSeminar/documents/Tipsdigest.pdf
Advice from firms on legal research --LinkRemoved--
Got a BigLaw Offer - Now What? http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=168442
Tips for Incoming SA's/Attorneys http://mylawschooldreams.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/tips-for-law-students-and-associates-aka-freshies/
Top 5 Tips for Incoming SA's http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=155445
Digest of Great Ideas - http://devel-drupal.law.csuohio.edu/lawlibrary/resources/lawpubs/ClerkSeminar/documents/Tipsdigest.pdf
Advice from firms on legal research --LinkRemoved--
Got a BigLaw Offer - Now What? http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=168442
Tips for Incoming SA's/Attorneys http://mylawschooldreams.wordpress.com/2009/10/09/tips-for-law-students-and-associates-aka-freshies/
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Re: Summer Associate Success
This TLS post might be helpful. (The above post includes six of the links provided in the "Avoiding [No/Cold Offers]" section.)
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Re: Summer Associate Success
This is a very helpful post. Thanks!
- Cavalier
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Re: Summer Associate Success
1) Don't miss deadlines
2) Don't do bad work
3) Don't be socially awkward
The end.
2) Don't do bad work
3) Don't be socially awkward
The end.
- sundance95
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Re: Summer Associate Success
Anonymous User wrote:From what I've read so far (it's a tiny book), a small portion of the advice is outdated. For example, the author seems to have an aversion to computerized legal research but even so the gist of that section is correct: start your research with a secondary source, THEN type in some search words (perhaps no secondary sources were available on Lexis/Westlaw in 2006?).
My understanding is that firms pay for Lexis/WestLaw by the search or by the hour. Either way, getting an idea of what you are looking for from physical secondary sources is going to save the firm money.
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Re: Summer Associate Success
sundance95 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:From what I've read so far (it's a tiny book), a small portion of the advice is outdated. For example, the author seems to have an aversion to computerized legal research but even so the gist of that section is correct: start your research with a secondary source, THEN type in some search words (perhaps no secondary sources were available on Lexis/Westlaw in 2006?).
My understanding is that firms pay for Lexis/WestLaw by the search or by the hour. Either way, getting an idea of what you are looking for from physical secondary sources is going to save the firm money.
Check with the firm on their pricing plan. Some firms have unlimited plans, some firms get charged by per document retrieved (I think LexisAdvance does this by default so searches are free, only reading a doc is charged). I think some firms also have internal knowledge base/compilation of resources for you to use as well.
- Big Shrimpin
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r6_philly wrote:sundance95 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:From what I've read so far (it's a tiny book), a small portion of the advice is outdated. For example, the author seems to have an aversion to computerized legal research but even so the gist of that section is correct: start your research with a secondary source, THEN type in some search words (perhaps no secondary sources were available on Lexis/Westlaw in 2006?).
My understanding is that firms pay for Lexis/WestLaw by the search or by the hour. Either way, getting an idea of what you are looking for from physical secondary sources is going to save the firm money.
Check with the firm on their pricing plan. Some firms have unlimited plans, some firms get charged by per document retrieved (I think LexisAdvance does this by default so searches are free, only reading a doc is charged). I think some firms also have internal knowledge base/compilation of resources for you to use as well.
These can be very helpful for cutting-down on the research costs/the amount of work you have to do.
- Old Gregg
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Re: Summer Associate Success
Cavalier wrote:1) Don't miss deadlines
2) Don't do bad work
3) Don't be socially awkward
The end.
TLSers need a manual for each of these points.
- JollyGreenGiant
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Re: Summer Associate Success
r6_philly wrote:sundance95 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:From what I've read so far (it's a tiny book), a small portion of the advice is outdated. For example, the author seems to have an aversion to computerized legal research but even so the gist of that section is correct: start your research with a secondary source, THEN type in some search words (perhaps no secondary sources were available on Lexis/Westlaw in 2006?).
My understanding is that firms pay for Lexis/WestLaw by the search or by the hour. Either way, getting an idea of what you are looking for from physical secondary sources is going to save the firm money.
Check with the firm on their pricing plan. Some firms have unlimited plans, some firms get charged by per document retrieved (I think LexisAdvance does this by default so searches are free, only reading a doc is charged). I think some firms also have internal knowledge base/compilation of resources for you to use as well.
Even if they have an unlimited plan, their contract is negotiated based on usage rates.
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Re: Summer Associate Success
JollyGreenGiant wrote:r6_philly wrote:sundance95 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:From what I've read so far (it's a tiny book), a small portion of the advice is outdated. For example, the author seems to have an aversion to computerized legal research but even so the gist of that section is correct: start your research with a secondary source, THEN type in some search words (perhaps no secondary sources were available on Lexis/Westlaw in 2006?).
My understanding is that firms pay for Lexis/WestLaw by the search or by the hour. Either way, getting an idea of what you are looking for from physical secondary sources is going to save the firm money.
Check with the firm on their pricing plan. Some firms have unlimited plans, some firms get charged by per document retrieved (I think LexisAdvance does this by default so searches are free, only reading a doc is charged). I think some firms also have internal knowledge base/compilation of resources for you to use as well.
Even if they have an unlimited plan, their contract is negotiated based on usage rates.
Oh, I see you went to the Westlaw/Lexis seminar on "cost-effective research this summer."
- Lawl Shcool
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Re: Summer Associate Success
TCR with respect to Westlaw/Lexis is to use the free trials you get, then call the Westlaw/Lexis reps, say, "I really like westlawnext/lexis equivalent but am out of my free trial and will have to switch over to other service, can I have another one?" I went the whole summer only having 1 week of non-free trial research using this method.
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