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Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:34 pm

I am a 1L and would like to know which intern would look best for future employment after graduation as I have been fortunate to received offers from all of the below. I am leaning towards the DHS Internship. I would appreciate any advice on why I should or should not accept that offer? My future endeavors are pretty much opened. Just want to have a well paid job right after graduation.

1- Intern with Department of Homeland Security (ICE)
2- Judicial Internship with federal/state judge
3- Work at a small private firm
4- Intern at Public Defenders
5- Research Assistant for professor

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby ph14 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:35 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I am a 1L and would like to know which intern would look best for future employment after graduation as I have been fortunate to received offers from all of the below. I am leaning towards the DHS Internship. I would appreciate any advice on why I should or should not accept that offer? My future endeavors are pretty much opened. Just want to have a well paid job right after graduation.

1- Intern with Department of Homeland Security (ICE)
2- Judicial Internship with federal/state judge
3- Work at a small private firm
4- Intern at Public Defenders
5- Research Assistant for professor


Doesn't matter. Pick based on location, connection, preference, etc. Or if any of them are paid or eligible for public interest funding if your school has that.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby LawIdiot86 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I am a 1L and would like to know which intern would look best for future employment after graduation as I have been fortunate to received offers from all of the below. I am leaning towards the DHS Internship. I would appreciate any advice on why I should or should not accept that offer? My future endeavors are pretty much opened. Just want to have a well paid job right after graduation.

1- Intern with Department of Homeland Security (ICE)
2- Judicial Internship with federal/state judge
3- Work at a small private firm
4- Intern at Public Defenders
5- Research Assistant for professor


1. Tone down the thread title. I thought this was a early WLRK v. CSM before I clicked.

2. Don't do #4 or #5. What part of ICE (chief/general counsel or operations/enforcement)? What kind of small private firm (boutique or general practice)? What level of federal/state judge (SSC or DC or COA or BR or Mag)?

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby Sup Kid » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:22 pm

LawIdiot86 wrote:1. Tone down the thread title. I thought this was a early WLRK v. CSM before I clicked.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby 2LLLL » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:02 pm

None of these are really that prestigious. And there's really not a problem with that. If you're the type that chases prestige for prestige's sake, you're probably going to end up unhappy down the line...

Do whatever is most interesting to you, and in the long run it probably won't really matter

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:36 pm

If none are prestigious then what would you consider prestigious for a 1? With the job market the way it is right now it is difficult to even get a job/internship.

-What should 1L's be looking to do this summer?

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby ph14 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:37 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If none are prestigious then what would you consider prestigious for a 1? With the job market the way it is right now it is difficult to even get a job/internship.

-What should 1L's be looking to do this summer?


Here is a comprehensive guide, from best to worst:

1) A biglaw job.
2) Any other paying job.
3) Any other unpaid job.

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Postby rad lulz » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:40 pm

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby kalvano » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:If none are prestigious then what would you consider prestigious for a 1? With the job market the way it is right now it is difficult to even get a job/internship.

-What should 1L's be looking to do this summer?


As you said, it's a tough market. The focus should be on getting something, not on "prestige".

As for what should 1L's be doing, fucking search. It's only been covered eleventy-billion times. The short answer: anything legal.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby fdr123 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:43 pm

I dont agree with any paid legal job being better than any nonpaid legal job. Some nonpaid can offer more experience and may help in getting a better job than a small firm where you may be only filing papers and getting paid.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby ph14 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:44 pm

fdr123 wrote:I dont agree with any paid legal job being better than any nonpaid legal job. Some nonpaid can offer more experience and may help in getting a better job than a small firm where you may be only filing papers and getting paid.


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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby kalvano » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:45 pm

fdr123 wrote:I dont agree with any paid legal job being better than any nonpaid legal job. Some nonpaid can offer more experience and may help in getting a better job than a small firm where you may be only filing papers and getting paid.


I disagree with your disagreemetance.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby fdr123 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:51 pm

Explanation for you disagreeing would be helpful

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby kalvano » Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:55 pm

Because you're not going to learn anything really useful 1L summer. Nor will it really help you get a job, it's just something to talk about at interviews. Might as well go paid I possible. Working for free sucks.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby Detrox » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:36 pm

Paid > Lower paid > Unpaid is credited. The only reason to take a lower paying or unpaid job is not for "prestige" 1L year, but to develop your resume or connections for a future goal. For instance, RAing, while viewed with disapproval on TLS, is a great way to connect with professors for future LoRs and highlight an interest in academia. Similarly, one could pursue low paying or unpaid PI, prosecution, or other position in a field whose full time position hiring staff tend to look for dedicated committment to that field on one's resume.

Ignoring having a detailed rationale for taking an alternate route, 1L jobs are about going to the money as long as its "legal."

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:56 pm

kalvano wrote:Because you're not going to learn anything really useful 1L summer. Nor will it really help you get a job, it's just something to talk about at interviews.


Although this is generally true, it is not true 100% of the time and thus I have to disagree very strongly. Working for some shit small firm for relative peanuts is almost always total waste of time, IMO, because it will almost never open ANY doors. The $15-20/hr isn't worth what a wasted investment it is. I know countless people who focused on "just getting paid" 1L and 2L summer and all they had to show for it was a few thousand bucks from doing useless rote admin. work and a few research memos.

Personal anecdote: I worked for free my 2L summer for a CoA justice and his LOR was what got me a post-grad clerkship and an offer at a mid-law firm the following year. (Not to toot my own horn, but to put it in perspective, the justice said I was his best intern he had ever had in his 30 years on the bench, so, admittedly, my experience was uncommon.) Unless you can get a biglaw job, your best bet is to focus on connections and networking, and from my and others' experience, working with judges is always a good option.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby romothesavior » Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:04 am

ph14 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:If none are prestigious then what would you consider prestigious for a 1? With the job market the way it is right now it is difficult to even get a job/internship.

-What should 1L's be looking to do this summer?


Here is a comprehensive guide, from best to worst:

1) A biglaw job.
2) Any other paying job.
3) Any other unpaid job.

Yep. It really doesn't matter that much if you're trying to get a biglaw job.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby Borhas » Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:01 am

Anonymous User wrote:I am a 1L and would like to know which intern would look best for future employment after graduation as I have been fortunate to received offers from all of the below. I am leaning towards the DHS Internship. I would appreciate any advice on why I should or should not accept that offer? My future endeavors are pretty much opened. Just want to have a well paid job right after graduation.

1- Intern with Department of Homeland Security (ICE)
2- Judicial Internship with federal/state judge
3- Work at a small private firm
4- Intern at Public Defenders
5- Research Assistant for professor


scratch out #4 and #5, if the small firm isn't sketchy, and also pays you then do that

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby acrossthelake » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:01 pm

romothesavior wrote:
ph14 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:If none are prestigious then what would you consider prestigious for a 1? With the job market the way it is right now it is difficult to even get a job/internship.

-What should 1L's be looking to do this summer?


Here is a comprehensive guide, from best to worst:

1) A biglaw job.
2) Any other paying job.
3) Any other unpaid job.

Yep. It really doesn't matter that much if you're trying to get a biglaw job.


Hm, I'd prefer something like USAO-SDNY or the DOJ-Civil Rights Division over a sketchy small firm paying $15/hr.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby CanadianWolf » Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:06 pm

Depends upon the perspective of the responder, but should depend upon the career objectives of the applicant.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby IAFG » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:35 am

I agree that paid isn't necessarily better. By doing something unpaid I got way ahead on credits and get to wrap up school a semester early now. Depending on your school's policies, you may be better off going unpaid. Especially since at OCI, firms will not care which legal gig you took 1L summer.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby booboo » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:39 am

IAFG wrote:I agree that paid isn't necessarily better. By doing something unpaid I got way ahead on credits and get to wrap up school a semester early now. Depending on your school's policies, you may be better off going unpaid. Especially since at OCI, firms will not care which legal gig you took 1L summer.


... You can finish school a semester early?

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby IAFG » Mon Mar 19, 2012 8:43 am

booboo wrote:
IAFG wrote:I agree that paid isn't necessarily better. By doing something unpaid I got way ahead on credits and get to wrap up school a semester early now. Depending on your school's policies, you may be better off going unpaid. Especially since at OCI, firms will not care which legal gig you took 1L summer.


... You can finish school a semester early?

Generally you still have to pay tuition but you can avoid living expenses, which, in a major city, is a big deal. I know a few people who started work early too, so reclaim that opportunity cost.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby adonai » Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
kalvano wrote:Because you're not going to learn anything really useful 1L summer. Nor will it really help you get a job, it's just something to talk about at interviews.


Although this is generally true, it is not true 100% of the time and thus I have to disagree very strongly. Working for some shit small firm for relative peanuts is almost always total waste of time, IMO, because it will almost never open ANY doors. The $15-20/hr isn't worth what a wasted investment it is. I know countless people who focused on "just getting paid" 1L and 2L summer and all they had to show for it was a few thousand bucks from doing useless rote admin. work and a few research memos.

Personal anecdote: I worked for free my 2L summer for a CoA justice and his LOR was what got me a post-grad clerkship and an offer at a mid-law firm the following year. (Not to toot my own horn, but to put it in perspective, the justice said I was his best intern he had ever had in his 30 years on the bench, so, admittedly, my experience was uncommon.) Unless you can get a biglaw job, your best bet is to focus on connections and networking, and from my and others' experience, working with judges is always a good option.

What did you do to earn such a compliment? Just want to know how to be a good extern. PM me if you are uneasy about details with your work. Sorry to derail. I have heard though that prestige can make an impact with smaller/mid sized firms. Seems like it only matters for biglaw if you have the grades.

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Re: Most PRESTIGIOUS Summer Intern/Associate Position??

Postby 20160810 » Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:30 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
ph14 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:If none are prestigious then what would you consider prestigious for a 1? With the job market the way it is right now it is difficult to even get a job/internship.

-What should 1L's be looking to do this summer?


Here is a comprehensive guide, from best to worst:

1) A biglaw job.
2) Any other paying job.
3) Any other unpaid job.

Yep. It really doesn't matter that much if you're trying to get a biglaw job.


Hm, I'd prefer something like USAO-SDNY or the DOJ-Civil Rights Division over a sketchy small firm paying $15/hr.

Guessing this post was for the lulz, but I don't think anyone decides between DOJ Honors and $15/hr boner law in Reno. That said, I agree with your point even for less prestigious unpaid gigs. I'd take a job at virtually any big-city PD or DA's office over the boner law gig. Unless it's a salaried summer associate position or you were hooked up by a family member and KNOW you're likely to get hired there, don't bother is probably TCR.




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