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UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:35 am

Current 1L at HYS - What kind of grades are needed for a UK Magic Circle Firm?

I.e. Allen & Overy, Clifford Chance, Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer, Linklaters, Slaughter and May.

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:48 pm

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Old Gregg » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:19 pm

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You're not getting Slaughter & May. Top third is good enough for everyone else in London, possibly median too. Median's definitely enough for NYC offices. Foreign language capabilities always a plus. Don't target litigation.

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:33 pm

Grades matter much, much less from T6 schools at Magic Circle firms. Rather, they care about 1)Ties to UK, 2) Understanding, interest, and experience relating to capital markets, 3) Some type of international flavor (foreign language, accent, international work experience, having unique color). Don't say "I want M&A" because that is a trap they set-- many of the firms do M&A in NYC. Don't say "I want litigation," because they don't want Americans for litigation. If you still want litigation you can try "I want cross-border arbitration," but that is about as likely to kill your chances as saying "I want entertainment law" in an OMM CC, Quinn, or Irell CC interview (they will only take 3 people to do this stuff).

To reiterate, if I was you (this isn't a joke), I would: Go tanning, learn to speak with cool, different inflection, do some type of cooperative research that allows you to put "Oxford", "Cambridge," or "London School of Economics" on your resume, visit London before OCI and memorize some crazy idiosyncratic things near the Magic Circle offices, start a capital markets or arbitration group at your school, and 1L year do something that would enable you to claim that you understand arbitration or capital markets (eg. work for a small London shop).

A secret backdoor is to split with an international office that you could actually get into (Hong Kong or Dubai).

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:30 pm

Depends if you're looking for the NY office or the UK one. For UK the above is right. Want to do capital markets. Show why you're serious about wanting to live in the UK. Honestly though unless you have a pressing need to be in the UK right out of law school, start in NYC at a US firm with a UK office. For NYC I believe median is enough in theory but they look for more. I was top 5% at a T6 at got dinged from the one magic circle NYC office i took a call back with(and I'm a brit).

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Old Gregg » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:38 pm

FYI probably a good idea to stay away from any UK firm that isn't Freshfields or S&M. Did you guys see those layoffs everyone else did? Linklaters is firing partners now...

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby dingbat » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Current 1L at HYS - What kind of grades are needed for a UK Magic Circle Firm?

I.e. Allen & Overy, Clifford Chance, Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer, Linklaters, Slaughter and May.

Learn the difference between i.e. and e.g.
There are plenty of partners in those firms who are touchy about the English language and you won't be doing yourself any favors making silly mistakes (be mindful of alternate spelling)

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:52 pm

Fresh Prince wrote:FYI probably a good idea to stay away from any UK firm that isn't Freshfields or S&M. Did you guys see those layoffs everyone else did? Linklaters is firing partners now...


S&M doesn't have a US office or to my knowledge do any US law. I did recently meet a S&M trainee doing a 6 month rotation at Wachtell so I guess those two firms do have some sort of exchange relationship but for the most part S&M is out unless you're going to be a UK lawyer.

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby LawIdiot86 » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:25 pm

Consider good second and third tier UK firms as the top five (four) aren't a sure thing. Herbert Smith and Norton Rose are particularly receptive to SA apps. Also, remember that lots of the top US firms have amazing UK operations (Skadden, S&C, McGuireWoods, etc).

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Old Gregg » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:27 pm

LawIdiot86 wrote:Consider good second and third tier UK firms as the top five (four) aren't a sure thing. Herbert Smith and Norton Rose are particularly receptive to SA apps. Also, remember that lots of the top US firms have amazing UK operations (Skadden, S&C, McGuireWoods, etc).


What? No they don't.

http://www.chambersandpartners.com/UK/Firms/3663-45057

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:28 pm

dingbat wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Current 1L at HYS - What kind of grades are needed for a UK Magic Circle Firm?

I.e. Allen & Overy, Clifford Chance, Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer, Linklaters, Slaughter and May.

Learn the difference between i.e. and e.g.
There are plenty of partners in those firms who are touchy about the English language and you won't be doing yourself any favors making silly mistakes (be mindful of alternate spelling)


The Magic Circle is the firms that OP listed. --LinkRemoved--)

Learn what you're talking about before coming up with retarded grammar points.

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Old Gregg » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:29 pm

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Fresh Prince wrote:FYI probably a good idea to stay away from any UK firm that isn't Freshfields or S&M. Did you guys see those layoffs everyone else did? Linklaters is firing partners now...


S&M doesn't have a US office or to my knowledge do any US law. I did recently meet a S&M trainee doing a 6 month rotation at Wachtell so I guess those two firms do have some sort of exchange relationship but for the most part S&M is out unless you're going to be a UK lawyer.


IIRC, S&M has a secondment relationship with Davis Polk.

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby Old Gregg » Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:29 pm

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Re: UK Magic Circle Firms - What grades are needed?

Postby dingbat » Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:26 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
dingbat wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Current 1L at HYS - What kind of grades are needed for a UK Magic Circle Firm?

I.e. Allen & Overy, Clifford Chance, Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer, Linklaters, Slaughter and May.

Learn the difference between i.e. and e.g.
There are plenty of partners in those firms who are touchy about the English language and you won't be doing yourself any favors making silly mistakes (be mindful of alternate spelling)


The Magic Circle is the firms that OP listed. --LinkRemoved--)

Learn what you're talking about before coming up with retarded grammar points.

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