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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:33 am

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby NYC Law » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:40 am

Took the time to go back and figure out what's going on ITT ... I want my 20 minutes back.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:48 am

rad lulz wrote:Also, he missed a bunch of firms, I don't even have to look at the list to tell you that.

If he actually had ass burgers, he would have gotten it right.


Here's the full list of private firms, including non-250NLJ:
Bradley Arant Boult Cummings
Burr & Forman
Gallagher and Kennedy
McCormick Barstow
Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear
Simpson Thacher
Winston & Strawn
Fenwick & West
Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear
Gresham Savage Nolan & Tilben
Paul Hastings
Jones Walker
Ober Kaler
drew law
Leonard Street and Deinard
Baker Donelson Bearman & Caldwell
Bass Berry & Sims
Burr & Forman
Harwell Howard Hyne Gabbert & Manner
Hollins Raybin & Weissman
Neal & Harwell
Riley Warnock & Jacobson
Schulman Leroy & Bennett
Tune Etrekin & White
Vinson & Elkins
Haynes & Boone
Bracewell & Giuliani
Haynes & Boone
Hunton & Williams
DLA Piper

Say these were all 250NLJ. That's still a pathetic 12% reporting. Your link was cute but doesn't cut it.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby skers » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:53 am

pugilistjd wrote:
TemporarySaint wrote: Sperglord. How about the 30% of vandy's nlj250 placement worked at only those firms, so that's what's reported. Not only five percent of all nlj250 firms represents all the nlj250 data. Derp derp derp.


You completely whiffed here. Radlawlz has suggested that there is some solid proof of NLJ's accuracy because the employment numbers for 1 out of 50 schools and 13 out of 250 firms matched up. So, assuming there is some overlap between Vandy and some of the other 49 schools (...), this amounts to 5% of firms responding assuming the same firms on the employer list responded to the annual survey.


That is astoundingly retarded logic.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby nucky thompson » Sun Feb 26, 2012 12:58 am

Dude you're silly. Unlike school released employment statistics - percentage reporting, no matter how low, does not negatively impact NLJ 250 data.


For example, if X school has 20 students firms report working there, and the class size is 200 - the NLJ percentage is 10. 20/200

If the number of firms reporting is pathetically low, it means the first number changes - not the second (using lay terms for you) ie: the 20 could get larger (not smaller) and the 200 stays the same no matter what.


This is way different than school reports. The school only bases statistics on those that report... So the second number changes depending on how many report.... Which means the overall percentage could be larger, or smaller.


Because NLJ employment statistics can only increase if more firms report, they are at worst conservative - and more likely accurate. Therefore, it is very rational that TLS users value NLJ statistics far more than school reported data.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby NYC Law » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:01 am

Ugh.

Here's the correct way to analyze the response rate:

N(number of law schools) = 50
n(sample size) = 1

Firm Response rate = ~100%

Margin of error: Large (small sample size)

That's all you can take from this. But to somehow get a 5% response rate from this is absolutely retarded.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:03 am

But, like, what if all the firms are fudging their employment stats, man?

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:09 am

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Bronck » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:12 am

rad lulz wrote:
pugilistjd wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also, he missed a bunch of firms, I don't even have to look at the list to tell you that.

If he actually had ass burgers, he would have gotten it right.


Here's the full list of private firms, including non-250NLJ:
Bradley Arant Boult Cummings
Burr & Forman
Gallagher and Kennedy
McCormick Barstow
Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear
Simpson Thacher
Winston & Strawn
Fenwick & West
Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear
Gresham Savage Nolan & Tilben
Paul Hastings
Jones Walker
Ober Kaler
drew law
Leonard Street and Deinard
Baker Donelson Bearman & Caldwell
Bass Berry & Sims
Burr & Forman
Harwell Howard Hyne Gabbert & Manner
Hollins Raybin & Weissman
Neal & Harwell
Riley Warnock & Jacobson
Schulman Leroy & Bennett
Tune Etrekin & White
Vinson & Elkins
Haynes & Boone
Bracewell & Giuliani
Haynes & Boone
Hunton & Williams
DLA Piper

Say these were all 250NLJ. That's still a pathetic 12% reporting. Your link was cute but doesn't cut it.

Try again.


We shouldn't be encouraging him.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Antilles Haven » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:20 am

Bronck wrote:We shouldn't be encouraging him.

What. No. I'm enjoying him, whether or not he's a troll or just has the intellectual ceiling of a dustpan.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:29 am

What a truly stupid individual.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:34 am

NYC Law wrote:Ugh.

Here's the correct way to analyze the response rate:

N(number of law schools) = 50
n(sample size) = 1

Firm Response rate = ~100%

Margin of error: Large (small sample size)

That's all you can take from this. But to somehow get a 5% response rate from this is absolutely retarded.


Agreed.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:36 am

If you can provide a list of firms who don't do the survey we may take you seriously. Ready go.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:37 am

rad lulz wrote:
pugilistjd wrote:
rad lulz wrote:Also, he missed a bunch of firms, I don't even have to look at the list to tell you that.

If he actually had ass burgers, he would have gotten it right.


Here's the full list of private firms, including non-250NLJ:
Bradley Arant Boult Cummings
Burr & Forman
Gallagher and Kennedy
McCormick Barstow
Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear
Simpson Thacher
Winston & Strawn
Fenwick & West
Knobbe Martens Olson & Bear
Gresham Savage Nolan & Tilben
Paul Hastings
Jones Walker
Ober Kaler
drew law
Leonard Street and Deinard
Baker Donelson Bearman & Caldwell
Bass Berry & Sims
Burr & Forman
Harwell Howard Hyne Gabbert & Manner
Hollins Raybin & Weissman
Neal & Harwell
Riley Warnock & Jacobson
Schulman Leroy & Bennett
Tune Etrekin & White
Vinson & Elkins
Haynes & Boone
Bracewell & Giuliani
Haynes & Boone
Hunton & Williams
DLA Piper

Say these were all 250NLJ. That's still a pathetic 12% reporting. Your link was cute but doesn't cut it.

Try again.


We're looking at the same list. I don't know how many other ways there are to tell you that you're wrong.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:38 am

romothesavior wrote:If you can provide a list of firms who don't do the survey we may take you seriously. Ready go.


That's NLJ's job.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:41 am

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby beachbum » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:41 am

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:43 am

pugilistjd wrote:
romothesavior wrote:If you can provide a list of firms who don't do the survey we may take you seriously. Ready go.


That's NLJ's job.

You fail. Go away.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby NYC Law » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:46 am

pugilistjd wrote:
NYC Law wrote:Ugh.

Here's the correct way to analyze the response rate:

N(number of law schools) = 50
n(sample size) = 1

Firm Response rate = ~100%

Margin of error: Large (small sample size)

That's all you can take from this. But to somehow get a 5% response rate from this is absolutely retarded.


Agreed.


Thing is, that isn't any indication of a lower amount. It just represents uncertainty. There's nothing to suggest there's a response rate lower than 100%. With the current evidence the response rate is around 100%, but we need more data to be more certain.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sun Feb 26, 2012 1:55 am

NYC Law wrote:Thing is, that isn't any indication of a lower amount. It just represents uncertainty. There's nothing to suggest there's a response rate lower than 100%. With the current evidence the response rate is around 100%, but we need more data to be more certain.


I'm not sure how much a 100% response rate for one school can tell us about the other 49, but yeah, we need more data.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Antilles Haven » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:05 am

Can we stop entertaining him and get back on topic about whether this will drop texas out of the T14?

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:07 am

Antilles Haven wrote:Can we stop entertaining him and get back on topic about whether this will drop texas out of the T14?

What if Texas never WAS T14?

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Antilles Haven » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:18 am

rad lulz wrote:
Antilles Haven wrote:Can we stop entertaining him and get back on topic about whether this will drop texas out of the T14?

What if Texas never WAS T14?

Have recently been given a pity invite to a party where nobody really wanted me there, I feel you Texas.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:20 am

rad lulz wrote:
Antilles Haven wrote:Can we stop entertaining him and get back on topic about whether this will drop texas out of the T14?

What if Texas never WAS T14?

In order to prove Texas was a T14 you would have to add up all the partner and judge surveys from last year. Some judges and partners may not have filled it out. Since you can't do that... the data is inherently unreliable. Amidoingitrite?

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Antilles Haven » Sun Feb 26, 2012 2:22 am

romothesavior wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
Antilles Haven wrote:Can we stop entertaining him and get back on topic about whether this will drop texas out of the T14?

What if Texas never WAS T14?

In order to prove Texas was a T14 you would have to add up all the partner and judge surveys from last year. Some judges and partners may not have filled it out. Since you can't do that... the data is inherently unreliable.

Even if you did the sample size would be too small to counteract the NLJ's strong bias, so you just keep your tinfoil hat on firm there buddy.




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