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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby 071816 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:13 pm

emkay625 wrote:
pugilistjd wrote:
stillwater wrote:
No. The NLJ250 rankings are against a fixed number (the total size of the class) and the school's employment data is against the number of respondents. And the rest should be obvious.


The NLJ250 rankings are based on an annual survey sent out to NLJ250 firms. So, their rankings are determined by the respondents just like law school employment data the difference being law schools publish respondent percentages.


Is this some kind of trolling effort?


I'm convinced that it is. No one can be this dense.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:40 pm

emkay625 wrote:You are speaking about the way ABA data for USNWR data is compiled. This is much different.

]The NLJ rankings are not calculated based upon only the people who respond. The NLJ takes the total number of people in the class and that serves as the bottom portion of the ratio, or the whole. Then, firms send in their class information. The NLJ divides it up, and how ever many a school has is the top portion of the ratio. Divide, move your decimal over two places, and you have your percentage.

Using the entire class as your total makes it so that only a negative bias could happen in this situation. If a firm doesn't respond, it would lower all of the school's percentages, not raise them.


Yes, NLJ250 respondent data can only have a negative bias, while law schools can abuse data to create a positive bias. I haven't said anything that runs contrary to that. I'm saying that we know less about the bias in NLJ's data compared to law school employment data because they don't publish respondent numbers. If that doesn't bother you, then move along.

emkay625 wrote:Is this some kind of trolling effort?

You're a quick one. I'll give you that. Quicker than most of the people on this board.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Antilles Haven » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:45 pm

pugilistjd wrote:
Yes, NLJ250 respondent data can only have a negative bias, while law schools can abuse data to create a positive bias. I haven't said anything that runs contrary to that. I'm saying that we know less about the bias in NLJ's data compared to law school employment data because they don't publish respondent numbers. If that doesn't bother you, then move along.

Wait... so what exactly were you trying to say?

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:54 pm

Antilles Haven wrote:Wait... so what exactly were you trying to say?


I'm saying its funny how TLSers laugh at law school employment data, but if NLJ reports the top 50 at 20% and below next year without respondent data for another consecutive year, TLSers would lose their shit and put on tin foil hats.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby emkay625 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 9:59 pm

I still don't understand what you are trying to say.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:00 pm

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:08 pm

emkay625 wrote:I still don't understand what you are trying to say.


I take back what I said about you being quick.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby crit_racer » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:12 pm

West Virginia: Most underrated law school?

BigCoalLaw FTW!

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby skers » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:12 pm

pugilistjd wrote:
Antilles Haven wrote:Wait... so what exactly were you trying to say?


I'm saying its funny how TLSers laugh at law school employment data, but if NLJ reports the top 50 at 20% and below next year without respondent data for another consecutive year, TLSers would lose their shit and put on tin foil hats.


So you're trying to cover up your retard with "na, I was totally trolling"

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby emkay625 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:12 pm

my question is - what is your complaint?

You've already admitted that the numbers could only have a negative bias. Why then, is this a bad thing?

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:12 pm

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Ikki » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:14 pm

I may be missing something but I'm pretty sure pugilist meant to say, respondent in NLJ 250: actual firms. respondent in law school employment data: students.

He's not saying that lawyers are the ones responding to the NLJ survey, firms are.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:16 pm

rad lulz wrote:I think pugilistjd's mother drank and smoke while he was in the womb.


I think the guy who posts on TLS 71 times a day just got butt hurt about seeing TLSers criticized, so he turns to the teenage boy basement dweller's book of burns.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby emkay625 » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:19 pm

Ikki wrote:I may be missing something but I'm pretty sure pugilist meant to say, respondent in NLJ 250: actual firms. respondent in law school employment data: students.

He's not saying that lawyers are the ones responding to the NLJ survey, firms are.



But he seems to be saying that this is a bad thing and it is laughable that people on TLS take this seriously. that is the part i don't understand.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:21 pm

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Ikki » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:22 pm

emkay625 wrote:
Ikki wrote:I may be missing something but I'm pretty sure pugilist meant to say, respondent in NLJ 250: actual firms. respondent in law school employment data: students.

He's not saying that lawyers are the ones responding to the NLJ survey, firms are.



But he seems to be saying that this is a bad thing and it is laughable that people on TLS take this seriously. that is the part i don't understand.


Because of the negative bias of the NLJ figures I guess. Although I remember the thread rad is talking about with regard to Vandy. The discrepancy between the real numbers and the numbers NLJ releases is probably not that great.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:24 pm

rad lulz wrote:y u mad tho?


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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby Antilles Haven » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:26 pm

pugilistjd wrote:
rad lulz wrote:y u mad tho?


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Nope, yous invariably mad.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:29 pm

Antilles Haven wrote:Nope, yous invariably mad.


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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:33 pm

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby romothesavior » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:40 pm

This guy is truly an awful poaster.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:42 pm

rad lulz wrote:Found the thread

From Vandy's list: 29%

From the NLJ: 29.81%

So pretty accurate.


Cool, but looks like we're missing 49 other schools...trying not to split hairs here.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sat Feb 25, 2012 10:52 pm

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby pugilistjd » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:16 pm

rad lulz wrote:Well, assuming that the firms that reported hiring Vandy grads filled out their forms correctly in regards to the students they hired from other schools too, what we're really concerned about now is any firm that didn't hire Vandy grads, and whether they reported or not. And by "we're," I mean you're the only concerned one.

The 2010 list is still up on Vanderbilt's website. How about you do us a favor and compare the firms that hired Vandy grades to the NLJ250 list, and let us know what firms we out to worry about for nonreporting.

http://law.vanderbilt.edu/employers-cs/index.aspx


I think you are confused. Most of the employers listed aren't even private firms let alone NLJ250. Maybe, you read the OCI list by mistake.

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Re: Top 50 go-to law schools 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sat Feb 25, 2012 11:18 pm

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