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How does this work?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:09 pm
by Anonymous User
I am a 1L right now and am currently doing my summer job search. I have applied to numerous judges, some law firms, and I have some other possible opportunities in DC.

I received a call from a district court judge recently, and will be interviewing this week. IIRC, I've read on TLS that it is frowned upon to either turn down a judge's offer or to renege once you have accepted (I can't remember which).

So, if I get an offer from the judge (whom I would be happy working for), do I accept it, and renege if I get a better opportunity? Or, do I simply tell them my situation, and let them know I will get back to them at a later date? Or, ....?

Any advice or experience with this is appreciated.

Thanks.

Re: How does this work?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:11 pm
by LawIdiot86
If a judge offers, you ASK NICELY how long you have to think it over and if they say they want you to decide then, you accept. You don't renege and you don't TELL them you will get back to them at a later date.

Re: How does this work?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:12 pm
by Sapientia
LawIdiot86 wrote:If a judge offers, you ASK NICELY how long you have to think it over and if they say they want you to decide then, you accept. You don't renege and you don't TELL them you will get back to them at a later date.


So, you accept it no matter what?

Re: How does this work?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:15 pm
by YourCaptain
Sapientia wrote:
LawIdiot86 wrote:If a judge offers, you ASK NICELY how long you have to think it over and if they say they want you to decide then, you accept. You don't renege and you don't TELL them you will get back to them at a later date.


So, you accept it no matter what?


No. You ask if you may have some time to consider it. If they say "yes," you thank them, finish pleasantries, and leave. If no, you either decide to accept or decline and then thank them for taking the time to speak with you, etc.

Re: How does this work?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:16 pm
by koalatriste
1L summer employment really doesn't matter.

if you want to work for a judge (which i have heard is a good experience), then do the interview and take the offer and be done with it! BUT, if your school gives out money for non-judicial internships, then IMO it just makes more sense to work for the DOJ, DA, USAO, PI organization, etc. unless you're swimming in cash.

Re: How does this work?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:18 pm
by Anonymous User
YourCaptain wrote:
Sapientia wrote:
LawIdiot86 wrote:If a judge offers, you ASK NICELY how long you have to think it over and if they say they want you to decide then, you accept. You don't renege and you don't TELL them you will get back to them at a later date.


So, you accept it no matter what?


No. You ask if you may have some time to consider it. If they say "yes," you thank them, finish pleasantries, and leave. If no, you either decide to accept or decline and then thank them for taking the time to speak with you, etc.


Ok. Common sense was telling me this is the way it is, but I wanted to make sure. Thanks.

Re: How does this work?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:18 pm
by Citizen Genet
Sapientia wrote:
LawIdiot86 wrote:If a judge offers, you ASK NICELY how long you have to think it over and if they say they want you to decide then, you accept. You don't renege and you don't TELL them you will get back to them at a later date.


So, you accept it no matter what?



No one here can ever give you such a concrete answer as to say "no matter what." But the general rule is that if the judge extends an offer, you take it unless there is some incredibly overriding reason to say no. It is up to you to determine if there is such a reason. (I believe GTL mentioned someone who reneged on an offer because the Vice President was involved somehow. So, there you go. Vice President level. While that was for a clerkship, internships are under the same etiquette.)

Re: How does this work?

Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:18 pm
by LawIdiot86
Sapientia wrote:
LawIdiot86 wrote:If a judge offers, you ASK NICELY how long you have to think it over and if they say they want you to decide then, you accept. You don't renege and you don't TELL them you will get back to them at a later date.


Thanks. So, you accept it no matter what?

It's generally expected that if a judge offers you on the spot, especially as a 1L, you will accept it, because if you had a better offer, you would have taken it and canceled the interview with the judge. If he's nice and gives you time, then you can try to do better, but it's seen as bad form in general and extremely bad form with judges to tell them you don't think their job is good enough and you need time to try to find something better. How would you feel if a judge said "I like you and am willing to hire you, but only if the student from Harvard I'm interviewing tomorrow turns down my offer"?

I interviewed with 4 judges as a 1L, one told me I had as long as I needed through Christmas, one explicitly told me he knew I was interviewing with other judges and to try to use his offer to trade up to someone with better name recognition, one called me on my drive home from the interview and told me I had until the next day to accept, the fourth I called and withdrew when I accepted the third.

Of course you can decline on the spot if he wants a decision at that moment, but you are making the bet then that someone else will make you an offer down the road, which ITE is a fairly risky bet.