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How strong are my ties?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:46 am

I spent most of my childhood in the upper Midwest, went to high school in the South, and then went back to the Midwest for college. I also lived and worked in DC for 6 months. Are these "ties" strong enough to open up markets like Chicago, Atlanta, and DC? I'd prefer to avoid NYC if possible, and these are the cities I prefer. How can I frame my background most favorably for employers? Anything I can do to strengthen my perceived desire to work in a given region? Thanks as always.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby c3pO4 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I spent most of my childhood in the upper Midwest, went to high school in the South, and then went back to the Midwest for college. I also lived and worked in DC for 6 months. Are these "ties" strong enough to open up markets like Chicago, Atlanta, and DC? I'd prefer to avoid NYC if possible, and these are the cities I prefer. How can I frame my background most favorably for employers? Anything I can do to strengthen my perceived desire to work in a given region? Thanks as always.


where do you go to law school? your ties are pretty weak and those markets are all insanely small/tough. unless you are top 25% at T6 or Emory you could very easily strike out. would you rather work in NYC than be unemployed?

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:45 pm

HYSCCN. Disappointing that my ties won't help much. Any way to make myself more appealing to these markets? What are considered "strong" ties to a market if living there for several years isn't enough? Thanks for your help.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby bubba » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:51 pm

Going to high school or college somewhere is a legit tie if you can weave it into a story about being there for the long run. But bid heavily and conservatively on NYC firms to hedge your bets.

-NYU 2L

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby c3pO4 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:58 pm

bubba wrote:Going to high school or college somewhere is a legit tie if you can weave it into a story about being there for the long run. But bid heavily and conservatively on NYC firms to hedge your bets.

-NYU 2L


but it sounds like he went to high school in "the midwest." unless you actually went to high school in chicago, or DC, or atlanta, nobody cares.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby AreJay711 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:01 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
bubba wrote:Going to high school or college somewhere is a legit tie if you can weave it into a story about being there for the long run. But bid heavily and conservatively on NYC firms to hedge your bets.

-NYU 2L


but it sounds like he went to high school in "the midwest." unless you actually went to high school in chicago, or DC, or atlanta, nobody cares.


You are forgetting about his brother in Atlanta, his cousin in D.C., and his favorite aunt and uncle in Chicago all of whom he loves to visit and visit the city.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Sam Seaborn » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:14 pm

Bid NYC

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:18 pm

I went to high school in the South. I do have family in each of these places, I just assumed that familial ties were pretty weak.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby c3pO4 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I went to high school in the South. I do have family in each of these places, I just assumed that familial ties were pretty weak.


they are. bid nyc. i have friends who regret not doing that. and I don't mean "as a backup." Just bid nyc.

edit: these are litearlly the only ties that matter:

--you spent your childhood in a 30 mile radius of the city
--you went to middle school and high school there
--you went to college there OR you went to college somewhere else and returned to work for a couple years
--your parents family and friends are all there
--you root for those sports teams and have all your life
--you may not go to law school there, but you went to the best school you could and you intend to go back.

unless that describes your ties to SF/LA/Chi/DC, do not bother outside of whatever the elite grade cutoff would be at your school. basically there is a certain gpa from certain schools where you won't need ties for these markets. outside that gpa, ties will be key and only a combination of most or all of the above wil work.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby flcath » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:17 pm

c3pO4 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I went to high school in the South. I do have family in each of these places, I just assumed that familial ties were pretty weak.


they are. bid nyc. i have friends who regret not doing that. and I don't mean "as a backup." Just bid nyc.

edit: these are litearlly the only ties that matter:

--you spent your childhood in a 30 mile radius of the city
--you went to middle school and high school there
--you went to college there OR you went to college somewhere else and returned to work for a couple years
--your parents family and friends are all there
--you root for those sports teams and have all your life
--you may not go to law school there, but you went to the best school you could and you intend to go back.

unless that describes your ties to SF/LA/Chi/DC, do not bother outside of whatever the elite grade cutoff would be at your school. basically there is a certain gpa from certain schools where you won't need ties for these markets. outside that gpa, ties will be key and only a combination of most or all of the above wil work.

To clarify: those bullet points are intended to be conjunctive, not disjunctive.

And I tend to agree. I did a CB in Memphis, TN, where I lived from age 7 to 18, and where my parents still live. That's "home," right? They grilled me (harder than any of the midwestern firms I CB'd at, probably b/c those places already knew I wasn't one of them) on why I went to school in FL and then worked there for a couple years, and asked me really detailed questions about why I wanted to come back, and why those reasons didn't cause me to come back years ago.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby AreJay711 » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:35 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I went to high school in the South. I do have family in each of these places, I just assumed that familial ties were pretty weak.


Idk. I'm not speaking from personal knowledge here but I've read on TLS that ties are what you make out of them. According to them, it is about making someone believe that is where you want to be more than what objective ties you have. My post was talking about making the ties that you have appear stronger than they might otherwise.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Grizz » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:38 pm

Have fun explaining to Southern firms why you went back to the midwest for college.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I spent most of my childhood in the upper Midwest, went to high school in the South, and then went back to the Midwest for college. I also lived and worked in DC for 6 months. Are these "ties" strong enough to open up markets like Chicago, Atlanta, and DC? I'd prefer to avoid NYC if possible, and these are the cities I prefer. How can I frame my background most favorably for employers? Anything I can do to strengthen my perceived desire to work in a given region? Thanks as always.


Have "long term girlfriend" you are serious about getting married with in market
"Girlfriend's" parents and family are all in market, you've spent tons of time out there love it
Break up with "girlfriend" by time you arrive for SA

+ ties you already have

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby flcath » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I spent most of my childhood in the upper Midwest, went to high school in the South, and then went back to the Midwest for college. I also lived and worked in DC for 6 months. Are these "ties" strong enough to open up markets like Chicago, Atlanta, and DC? I'd prefer to avoid NYC if possible, and these are the cities I prefer. How can I frame my background most favorably for employers? Anything I can do to strengthen my perceived desire to work in a given region? Thanks as always.


Have "long term girlfriend" you are serious about getting married with in market
"Girlfriend's" parents and family are all in market, you've spent tons of time out there love it
Break up with "girlfriend" by time you arrive for SA

+ ties you already have

Protip: "Fiance" is an equally unfalsifiable term, that sounds far more impressive.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:47 pm

flcath wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I spent most of my childhood in the upper Midwest, went to high school in the South, and then went back to the Midwest for college. I also lived and worked in DC for 6 months. Are these "ties" strong enough to open up markets like Chicago, Atlanta, and DC? I'd prefer to avoid NYC if possible, and these are the cities I prefer. How can I frame my background most favorably for employers? Anything I can do to strengthen my perceived desire to work in a given region? Thanks as always.


Have "long term girlfriend" you are serious about getting married with in market
"Girlfriend's" parents and family are all in market, you've spent tons of time out there love it
Break up with "girlfriend" by time you arrive for SA

+ ties you already have

Protip: "Fiance" is an equally unfalsifiable term, that sounds far more impressive.


What if they ask to meet her?

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby flcath » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
flcath wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I spent most of my childhood in the upper Midwest, went to high school in the South, and then went back to the Midwest for college. I also lived and worked in DC for 6 months. Are these "ties" strong enough to open up markets like Chicago, Atlanta, and DC? I'd prefer to avoid NYC if possible, and these are the cities I prefer. How can I frame my background most favorably for employers? Anything I can do to strengthen my perceived desire to work in a given region? Thanks as always.


Have "long term girlfriend" you are serious about getting married with in market
"Girlfriend's" parents and family are all in market, you've spent tons of time out there love it
Break up with "girlfriend" by time you arrive for SA

+ ties you already have

Protip: "Fiance" is an equally unfalsifiable term, that sounds far more impressive.


What if they ask to meet her?

When you're an SA? You guys broke up by then, remember?

Or you can opt for the potentially-hilarious route, and hire a GFE escort to pretend to be your fiance during the SA social event.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Guchster » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:51 pm

flcath wrote:
Or you can opt for the potentially-hilarious route, and hire a GFE escort to pretend to be your fiance during the SA social event.


#winning.

I will do this regardless if I have a gf or not to impress everyone.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby flcath » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:04 am

Guchster wrote:
flcath wrote:
Or you can opt for the potentially-hilarious route, and hire a GFE escort to pretend to be your fiance during the SA social event.


#winning.

I will do this regardless if I have a gf or not to impress everyone.

**Beware**

Be sure to hire an escort that works a different part of the city; otherwise like half the partners at the event will recognize her.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:25 am

flcath wrote:
Guchster wrote:
flcath wrote:
Or you can opt for the potentially-hilarious route, and hire a GFE escort to pretend to be your fiance during the SA social event.


#winning.

I will do this regardless if I have a gf or not to impress everyone.

**Beware**

Be sure to hire an escort that works a different part of the city; otherwise like half the partners at the event will recognize her.


Instant street cred, though. Anyway, does anyone else have any input regarding my original question, or more tips about ties to non-major markets in general?

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:26 am

Buy a house in the market.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby AreJay711 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:44 am

flcath wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I spent most of my childhood in the upper Midwest, went to high school in the South, and then went back to the Midwest for college. I also lived and worked in DC for 6 months. Are these "ties" strong enough to open up markets like Chicago, Atlanta, and DC? I'd prefer to avoid NYC if possible, and these are the cities I prefer. How can I frame my background most favorably for employers? Anything I can do to strengthen my perceived desire to work in a given region? Thanks as always.


Have "long term girlfriend" you are serious about getting married with in market
"Girlfriend's" parents and family are all in market, you've spent tons of time out there love it
Break up with "girlfriend" by time you arrive for SA

+ ties you already have

Protip: "Fiance" is an equally unfalsifiable term, that sounds far more impressive.


Interesting. This could really work -- though it would be hard to get my girlfriend to agree to say we we've only been dating for a couple months if they meet her.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:45 am

AreJay711 wrote:
flcath wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I spent most of my childhood in the upper Midwest, went to high school in the South, and then went back to the Midwest for college. I also lived and worked in DC for 6 months. Are these "ties" strong enough to open up markets like Chicago, Atlanta, and DC? I'd prefer to avoid NYC if possible, and these are the cities I prefer. How can I frame my background most favorably for employers? Anything I can do to strengthen my perceived desire to work in a given region? Thanks as always.


Have "long term girlfriend" you are serious about getting married with in market
"Girlfriend's" parents and family are all in market, you've spent tons of time out there love it
Break up with "girlfriend" by time you arrive for SA

+ ties you already have

Protip: "Fiance" is an equally unfalsifiable term, that sounds far more impressive.


Interesting. This could really work -- though it would be hard to get my girlfriend to agree to say we we've only been dating for a couple months if they meet her.



...which is why you buy a house. do the math, the investment is worth it.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby Veyron » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:56 am

IMHO, you have pretty strong ties to where your parents live if either went to high school there or worked there. Other than that, the list above OR fiance OR grades too good to turn down is the credited list. Believe you me, I had the ties you describe to some markets and it did not end well.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby AreJay711 » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:58 am

Anonymous User wrote:
AreJay711 wrote:
flcath wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Have "long term girlfriend" you are serious about getting married with in market
"Girlfriend's" parents and family are all in market, you've spent tons of time out there love it
Break up with "girlfriend" by time you arrive for SA

+ ties you already have

Protip: "Fiance" is an equally unfalsifiable term, that sounds far more impressive.


Interesting. This could really work -- though it would be hard to get my girlfriend to agree to say we we've only been dating for a couple months if they meet her.



...which is why you buy a house. do the math, the investment is worth it.

Or I could just break up with my real long term girlfriend. I mean it's not ideal but sometimes you have to do what you have to do.

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Re: How strong are my ties?

Postby kalvano » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:13 am

Knock up the hiring partner's daughter. That would be a pretty strong tie, plus an incentive to see that you get a good-paying job.

Winning.




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