3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:10 pm

Grizz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:anyone know anything about Paul Hasting NY

I'd be more worried about having a miscarriage at Paul Hastings than your grades.


???

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby IAFG » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:15 pm

G. T. L. Rev. wrote:Looks like someone did not get the message.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:20 pm

Boston firms, anyone? Ropes/Wilmer/Goodwin?

Yeah, G. T. L. Rev., I know it's irrational, but I'd still rather know.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Cahill anyone?


+1. What's the (hopefully) good word on Cahill's 2L grade policy TLS?

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Grizz » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Grizz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:anyone know anything about Paul Hasting NY

I'd be more worried about having a miscarriage at Paul Hastings than your grades.


???

http://abovethelaw.com/2008/05/breaking-a-dramatic-farewell-emailand-proof-of-paul-hastings-layoffs/

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:linklaters anyone?

3L buddy of mine said that grades were asked for towards the end of the summer and that he says the summer before his someone was no-offered because of it, and that this summer apparently two people were cold offered because of grades, or so he says.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby 09042014 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Davis Polk had us fill out a form 2L spring year which authorized them to request a transcript directly from our law school. Aside from that, grades were never mentioned at any time. If I were a betting man I would say they didn't look. It certainly didn't factor into offer decisions.


A DPW recruiter told me they aren't even allowed to not offer a person. I wouldn't use DPW as a standard.

However, a Dean at NW said that he hasn't heard of someone getting dinged for anything other than D's and F's.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:42 pm

Akin Gump?

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby NinerFan » Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:28 pm

Grizz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:anyone know anything about Paul Hasting NY

I'd be more worried about having a miscarriage at Paul Hastings than your grades.


I laughed, but that was a sad story.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Bramwell » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:22 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
A DPW recruiter told me they aren't even allowed to not offer a person. I wouldn't use DPW as a standard.


Unless the incoming summer associates received extended employment contracts, why would the firm not be at liberty to decline extending an offer? Even once you are hired, you can (in theory at least) be terminated.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby 09042014 » Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:34 pm

Bramwell wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:
A DPW recruiter told me they aren't even allowed to not offer a person. I wouldn't use DPW as a standard.


Unless the incoming summer associates received extended employment contracts, why would the firm not be at liberty to decline extending an offer? Even once you are hired, you can (in theory at least) be terminated.


Not allowed by their own rule. They want that 100% offer rate statistic. You'd have to whip your dick out at a firm event to not get an offer. And even then, I think they'd cold offer.

I can't vouch for the accuracy, but that is what the interviewer said. Could be lying, but they weren't trying to sweet talk me cause I got dinged from the screener.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:11 am

Sidley NY anyone?

not the most grade-conscious firm, so i'm not too worried, but i think it's always best to CYA in situations where a job offer is on the line.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby sebastian0622 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:34 am

Please, stop bumping this thread with random firm names. There are no documented cases of a firm having a system in place to no-offer SA's due to grades. If it happens, it's on a case-by-case basis, in which case there would be a multitude of factors involved, and any such case would be so rare (and the no-offer itself probably so cryptic) that discussing it here would give you no useful information whatsoever. If you want more information, search the forum, but for the love of God, let this abomination of a thread die already.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:32 pm

sebastian0622 wrote:Please, stop bumping this thread with random firm names. There are no documented cases of a firm having a system in place to no-offer SA's due to grades. If it happens, it's on a case-by-case basis, in which case there would be a multitude of factors involved, and any such case would be so rare (and the no-offer itself probably so cryptic) that discussing it here would give you no useful information whatsoever. If you want more information, search the forum, but for the love of God, let this abomination of a thread die already.


No one is asking for firms with a "system in place" to no-offer SAs because of their grades. Can you imagine how unbelievably stupid any firm would be to have a documented system to no-hire people based on their grades?!

Asking if a firm looks at 2L grades =/= trying to figure out if there is some kind of secret system in place to no-offer based on grades. Of course we all know there are other things factoring into no-offers.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to know if your firm looks at grades. Every 2L I've spoken to in person about this wants to know. Sebastian, if you don't like this thread, no one is putting a gun to your head & forcing you to read it. Bye.
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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby c3pO4 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:35 pm

i don't understand how people can ask current associates about htis either. won't it a) increase thances they check your grades b) make you look worried / like a slacker?

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Zazelmaf » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:37 pm

I'll probably be working in fast food after graduation, and I am sure they'll be impressed that I went to law school in the first place and not even care about grades.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:38 pm

Well yeah. I'd never even consider asking a current associate whether or not they check grades...which is why I'm hoping a 3L who works at the firm I'll be at this summer will step up and say if he/she was asked for 2L grades. It's the internet & the firm is probably never going to find out you did something as invidious as telling a 2L the firm didn't ask for grades.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Big Shrimpin » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:08 pm

c3pO4 wrote:i don't understand how people can ask current associates about htis either. won't it a) increase thances they check your grades b) make you look worried / like a slacker?


In my experience, they didn't give a fck and actually laughed at me for asking, kindly advising me to chill the fck out. HTH

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby sebastian0622 » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:09 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
sebastian0622 wrote:Please, stop bumping this thread with random firm names. There are no documented cases of a firm having a system in place to no-offer SA's due to grades. If it happens, it's on a case-by-case basis, in which case there would be a multitude of factors involved, and any such case would be so rare (and the no-offer itself probably so cryptic) that discussing it here would give you no useful information whatsoever. If you want more information, search the forum, but for the love of God, let this abomination of a thread die already.


No one is asking for firms with a "system in place" to no-offer SAs because of their grades. Can you imagine how unbelievably stupid any firm would be to have a documented system to no-hire people based on their grades?!

Asking if a firm looks at 2L grades =/= trying to figure out if there is some kind of secret system in place to no-offer based on grades. Of course we all know there are other things factoring into no-offers.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to know if your firm looks at grades. Every 2L I've spoken to in person about this wants to know. Sebastian, if you don't like this thread, no one is putting a gun to your head & forcing you to read it. Bye.


Anonymous, your thread sucks.

BTW, you're not showing a lot of intelligence in this thread. Having a system isn't the same as publishing or documenting a system, and not having a system means something is cryptic and decided on a case-by-case basis, in which case this thread is worthless because nobody can comment on things that are decided on a case-by-case basis and have no predictable or persistent factors. So unless there are systems in place, you're running a worthless thread. There are no systems in place, which is why you're not getting meaningful responses, and you're approaching abuse of the anon feature by shamelessly bumping this thread and now calling me out. You should really just run a couple searches and stop being so OCD and obnoxious by repeatedly bumping this abortion of a thread with random firm names followed by question marks.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:02 pm

sebastian0622 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Anonymous, your thread sucks.

BTW, you're not showing a lot of intelligence in this thread. Having a system isn't the same as publishing or documenting a system, and not having a system means something is cryptic and decided on a case-by-case basis, in which case this thread is worthless because nobody can comment on things that are decided on a case-by-case basis and have no predictable or persistent factors. So unless there are systems in place, you're running a worthless thread. There are no systems in place, which is why you're not getting meaningful responses, and you're approaching abuse of the anon feature by shamelessly bumping this thread and now calling me out. You should really just run a couple searches and stop being so OCD and obnoxious by repeatedly bumping this abortion of a thread with random firm names followed by question marks.


Didn't create the thread, not that it's at all relevant who created the thread in the first place. The anonymous feature in this thread is available to anyone who doesn't want to run the risk of their identity being disclosed to the firm they're working at this summer while discussing employment-related info, and as you may not have realized, there are multiple anons here.

Re-read your own post and you'll see who sounds unintelligent in light of what they posted here. You are telling the people in this thread to stop asking for info on which firms request 2L grades because there are no documented cases of firms having a system of no-offering people based on their grades. I replied that of course no firm has such a documented system, and that is not the information people here are seeking--rather, people want to know if their firm requests 2L grades on the off chance that their grades will be poor enough to impact their chances of getting an offer, which is not common, but which has in all likelihood happened at some point to someone.

Some isolated instances of a particular firm no-offering people based on grades does not mean there is a system in place. Firms asking for grades also doesn't mean they are going to no-offer you based on grades--it just shows they may care to some degree about their summers' 2L grades. Knowing about grade requests and no-offers is helpful and relevant to people who are planning to work at a firm this summer regardless of the existence of any system to no-offer. No one wants to be the one person in their class who was no-offered with their grades playing a factor in the decision to no-offer even in the absence of some invidious system. So just because the existence of a no-offering system based on grades in this thread will not be revealed in this thread, which it probably won't, it doesn't follow that it's worthless for people to ask if their firm asks for 2L grades.

People just want to know if their firm cares about grades or not. Why is that a problem to you?

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby MrKappus » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Didn't create the thread, not that it's at all relevant who created the thread in the first place. The anonymous feature in this thread is available to anyone who doesn't want to run the risk of their identity being disclosed to the firm they're working at this summer while discussing employment-related info, and as you may not have realized, there are multiple anons here.

Re-read your own post and you'll see who sounds unintelligent in light of what they posted here. You are telling the people in this thread to stop asking for info on which firms request 2L grades because there are no documented cases of firms having a system of no-offering people based on their grades. I replied that of course no firm has such a documented system, and that is not the information people here are seeking--rather, people want to know if their firm requests 2L grades on the off chance that their grades will be poor enough to impact their chances of getting an offer, which is not common, but which has in all likelihood happened at some point to someone.

Some isolated instances of a particular firm no-offering people based on grades does not mean there is a system in place. Firms asking for grades also doesn't mean they are going to no-offer you based on grades--it just shows they may care to some degree about their summers' 2L grades. Knowing about grade requests and no-offers is helpful and relevant to people who are planning to work at a firm this summer regardless of the existence of any system to no-offer. No one wants to be the one person in their class who was no-offered with their grades playing a factor in the decision to no-offer even in the absence of some invidious system. So just because the existence of a no-offering system based on grades in this thread will not be revealed in this thread, which it probably won't, it doesn't follow that it's worthless for people to ask if their firm asks for 2L grades.

People just want to know if their firm cares about grades or not. Why is that a problem to you?


These are all great points! Thanks for posting!!

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby neimanmarxist » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:37 pm

Piping up to say 1) I benefited from this thread, have had concerns similar to OP's, am glad there's a place to talk about it 2) sebastian, if you don't like this thread, don't click on it and go be bilious elsewhere; TLS isn't a forum that exists solely for your benefit, 3) thanks to those who posted about their impressions of the impact of 2L grades at their firms. It was helpful! :mrgreen:

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby dixiecupdrinking » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:32 am

Someone bumped a thread I don't like! I must put an end to this.

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:37 am

In my offer letter, a 2L transcript at the end of the school year was a contingency. Sucks, because I had one fuck to give this whole semester and that went to getting a job. I have none left for exams, etc. Maybe they won't actually ask for them?

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Re: 3Ls and Graduates: did your firm request 2L grades?

Postby sebastian0622 » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:01 pm

G. T. L. Rev. wrote:*Adds this thread to the list of reasons why he can't stand millenials.*


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You guys are so sensitive. Do a forum search FFS. I'm out.




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