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How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:25 pm

I just learned that there are government internships in my state for law students (unpaid), but actual lawyers with degrees are ALSO taking these unpaid state govt internships in the hopes of getting something permanent down the road.
Should I drop out of law school now?? I am at a T14 (1L, so I haven't taken exams yet).
I think I would end my life if I graduated law school and had to take an unpaid job!
I am tired of working for free. I will have no debt, but I can't see living with my parents after 3 yrs of law school.
PLease, this is much worse than I ever imagined. Say it isn't so! Anything positive out there?
My college major is Poli Sci, so it's not as if I'm a teacher and can go back to teaching. After I graduate law school, I think I'll be overly qualified for most entry level postions.
I am not even looking for megabucks...quite the contrary. I will be happy to take on any full time PAID job. But, I am beginning to think that a full time (even low paid job) will be a pipe dream.
I am seriously considering dropping out. This sucks big time.
HELP!

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby headandshoulderos » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:28 pm

nice

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:39 pm

Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Bronte » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:41 pm

I know this is a troll because no one could be at T14 (potentially with a full ride) and think it's okay to write a post with a single hard return after every sentence. Try harder.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:43 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).



No debt and t14 would definitely lean in favor of not dropping out. You should at least do the 1L year and gauge potential employment at the start of 2L before you spend two more years of tuition. However...I don't agree that if you just "don't screw around" and get decent grades that you'll be fine. The worst-case scenario for you will not be $100k. The T14 is not immune from the shitty economy. and not every graduate is going to come out employed. But the no debt thing really does mean you have exponentially more options than others.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Bronte » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


I have a feeling this poster and the OP are the same poster and we're being double trolled.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Omerta » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:04 pm

I'm really into decision trees so I made a youtube decision tree for you:

(1) Get an SA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUmE-tne5U
(2) No SA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMz8fKkG2g

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Grizz » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:08 pm


Definitely something like this:

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby headandshoulderos » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:22 pm

Omerta wrote:I'm really into decision trees so I made a youtube decision tree for you:

(1) Get an SA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUmE-tne5U
(2) No SA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRMz8fKkG2g


You need to add 1(a) Full time offer and 1(b) No-offer to your tree

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Doritos » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:32 pm

Bronte wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


I have a feeling this poster and the OP are the same poster and we're being double trolled.


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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby masterthearts » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:35 pm

Bronte wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


I have a feeling this poster and the OP are the same poster and we're being double trolled.


I am def not trolling and I definitely don't have a full scholly, but rather, parents who are paying tuition. BUT, they will definitely not pay my rent and support me after school. My only option would be to live at home which I don't want. My goal is to get a job and pay my own rent. Not sure I can do that ITE.
I read on tls that there are T14 grads doing part time work/doc review. I also need health insurance due to a chronic condition. So, I need to get any kind of full time job when I graduate.
I read posts about 1K applicants for the FDIC internship with only 25 called for interview!
I was simply hoping to get some honest answers about exactly how bad it is out there from 2L's and 3L's and recent graduates. What have your experiences been?

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Grizz » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:36 pm

masterthearts wrote:I read posts about 1K applicants for the FDIC internship with only 25 called for interview!

Use your LR skills to figure out the assumption inherent in this statement.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Gettingstarted1928 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


Why do people troll? I mean what the hell is the point?

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Eco » Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:37 pm

Have you ever seen that youtube video of the guy running away from a donkey that eventually rapes him?

The job market is like that.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:37 am

Michigan c/o 2011. Median grades. Can't find a paying job in the legal field and I'm far from alone in this.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby BeenDidThat » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:20 am

Anonymous User wrote:I just learned that there are government internships in my state for law students (unpaid), but actual lawyers with degrees are ALSO taking these unpaid state govt internships in the hopes of getting something permanent down the road.
Should I drop out of law school now?? I am at a T14 (1L, so I haven't taken exams yet).
I think I would end my life if I graduated law school and had to take an unpaid job!
I am tired of working for free. I will have no debt, but I can't see living with my parents after 3 yrs of law school.
PLease, this is much worse than I ever imagined. Say it isn't so! Anything positive out there?
My college major is Poli Sci, so it's not as if I'm a teacher and can go back to teaching. After I graduate law school, I think I'll be overly qualified for most entry level postions.
I am not even looking for megabucks...quite the contrary. I will be happy to take on any full time PAID job. But, I am beginning to think that a full time (even low paid job) will be a pipe dream.
I am seriously considering dropping out. This sucks big time.
HELP!


You know how I know you're a troll?

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby taxguy » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:59 am

The legal market now is horrible. NY alone is producting a surplus of 7500 lawyers a year! You really need to read the follow article:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/258744/ ... l-scam.htm

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby cattleprod » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:17 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


That is a joke, right?
There are plenty of T14 graduates at median (or above) who strike out and have nothing 9 months after graduation.
Even doc review jobs require experience these days because there are so many unemployed lawyers out there.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby BeenDidThat » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:50 pm

cattleprod wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


That is a joke, right?
There are plenty of T14 graduates at median (or above) who strike out and have nothing 9 months after graduation.
Even doc review jobs require experience these days because there are so many unemployed lawyers out there.


You may have missed the bolded. A lot of people screw around. Granted, saying "guaranteed" is too strong, but even then, the vast majority of T14 folks who don't screw around will have decent jobs.

Unless, of course, the economy decides to screw law school classes like it did to the Classes of 2010/2011.

Let me define my meaning of not screwing around: don't smoke a bunch of weed (which will fuck your memory up), go to class, do the readings, think about the law, and if you're confused on any points just ask the professor. And for god's sake, don't take law school as an opportunity to fight the power. Learn how legal thought works and apply it on finals. Don't dwell on the things you disagree with; just apply the law.
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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby headandshoulderos » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:52 pm

BeenDidThat wrote:
cattleprod wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


That is a joke, right?
There are plenty of T14 graduates at median (or above) who strike out and have nothing 9 months after graduation.
Even doc review jobs require experience these days because there are so many unemployed lawyers out there.


You may have missed the bolded. A lot of people screw around. Granted, saying "guaranteed" is too strong, but even then, the vast majority of T14 folks who don't screw around will have decent jobs.

Unless, of course, the economy decides to screw law school classes like it did to the Classes of 2010/2011


Screw around??? Vast majority??? Try less than half. And not due to "screwing" around.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby BeenDidThat » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:53 pm

headandshoulderos wrote:
BeenDidThat wrote:
cattleprod wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


That is a joke, right?
There are plenty of T14 graduates at median (or above) who strike out and have nothing 9 months after graduation.
Even doc review jobs require experience these days because there are so many unemployed lawyers out there.


You may have missed the bolded. A lot of people screw around. Granted, saying "guaranteed" is too strong, but even then, the vast majority of T14 folks who don't screw around will have decent jobs.

Unless, of course, the economy decides to screw law school classes like it did to the Classes of 2010/2011


Screw around??? Vast majority??? Try less than half. And not due to "screwing" around.


Judging by how you write, you probably screw around a lot.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby NinerFan » Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:56 pm

BeenDidThat wrote:
cattleprod wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


That is a joke, right?
There are plenty of T14 graduates at median (or above) who strike out and have nothing 9 months after graduation.
Even doc review jobs require experience these days because there are so many unemployed lawyers out there.


You may have missed the bolded. A lot of people screw around. Granted, saying "guaranteed" is too strong, but even then, the vast majority of T14 folks who don't screw around will have decent jobs.

Unless, of course, the economy decides to screw law school classes like it did to the Classes of 2010/2011.

Let me define my meaning of not screwing around: don't smoke a bunch of weed (which will fuck your memory up), go to class, do the readings, think about the law, and if you're confused on any points just ask the professor. And for god's sake, don't take law school as an opportunity to fight the power. Learn how legal thought works and apply it on finals. Don't dwell on the things you disagree with; just apply the law.


Um, a lot of people do this and still don't get the jobs they want. I would say that at least half in the T-14 get the big law jobs they want, a chunk of the rest get good jobs, but there is a portion of each class that ends up doing something that is just not that great. Did my friends who hustled, networked, MM'd hundreds of firms, went to class, did readings, went to office hours, joined study groups, etc, did they "screw around"?

It's a numbers game. Some people are going to lose.

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby BeenDidThat » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:04 pm

NinerFan wrote:
BeenDidThat wrote:
cattleprod wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Calm the fuck down. You are graduating from a T14 and will have no debt. If you don't screw around for the next 3 years and manage to get decent grades, you're guaranteed a BIGLAW or midlaw job (worst-case scenario = $100k starting salary).


That is a joke, right?
There are plenty of T14 graduates at median (or above) who strike out and have nothing 9 months after graduation.
Even doc review jobs require experience these days because there are so many unemployed lawyers out there.


You may have missed the bolded. A lot of people screw around. Granted, saying "guaranteed" is too strong, but even then, the vast majority of T14 folks who don't screw around will have decent jobs.

Unless, of course, the economy decides to screw law school classes like it did to the Classes of 2010/2011.

Let me define my meaning of not screwing around: don't smoke a bunch of weed (which will fuck your memory up), go to class, do the readings, think about the law, and if you're confused on any points just ask the professor. And for god's sake, don't take law school as an opportunity to fight the power. Learn how legal thought works and apply it on finals. Don't dwell on the things you disagree with; just apply the law.


Um, a lot of people do this and still don't get the jobs they want. I would say that at least half in the T-14 get the big law jobs they want, a chunk of the rest get good jobs, but there is a portion of each class that ends up doing something that is just not that great. Did my friends who hustled, networked, MM'd hundreds of firms, went to class, did readings, went to office hours, joined study groups, etc, did they "screw around"?

It's a numbers game. Some people are going to lose.


Cool story, bro. Burn that straw man that you constructed! Ashes for everyone!
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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby headandshoulderos » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:06 pm

BeenDidThat wrote:


Judging by how you write, you probably screw around a lot.


nobody gives a shit about your judgment. so someone who "Screws around a lot" has a great vault SA lined up. i thought that meant i wouldnt have a decent job? your reasoning is about as good as herman cain's here.

ninerfan got it right. you can do everything right and still not get a job. you are in denial because it makes you feel better about yourself, but the numbers don't lie -- many in the T14 get biglaw, but it's not correlated with "screwing around" and it's not the vast majority.

itt: someone clearly doesn't understand the concept of a mandatory curve

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Re: How bad is the legal job market?

Postby BeenDidThat » Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:09 pm

headandshoulderos wrote:
BeenDidThat wrote:


Judging by how you write, you probably screw around a lot.


nobody gives a shit about your judgment. so someone who "Screws around a lot" has a great vault SA lined up. i thought that meant i wouldnt have a decent job? your reasoning is about as good as herman cain's here.

ninerfan got it right. you can do everything right and still not get a job. you are in denial because it makes you feel better about yourself, but the numbers don't lie -- many in the T14 get biglaw, but it's not correlated with "screwing around" and it's not the vast majority.


"Decent job" includes things other than big law.

In fairness, the personal attack wasn't nice of me. But you have the analytical ability to understand what's being said. Why you don't exercise it is beyond me. The vast majority of T14 grads who don't screw around will get decent jobs. Not less than half.

Also, your bragging wasn't called for. You may want to go back re-think the conditional implied in my statement. Your reasoning is the one that's shitty. I'm gonna go back to studying. Toodaloo.
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