The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Lwoods » Tue Dec 20, 2011 9:23 pm

adonai wrote:I appreciate your advice, but I just don't think it comes down to being prepared and asking questions, cause I feel I can do all that. I think it has more to do with social intangibles. I'm not menacing or intimidating or anything, but I just get this feel that people do not want to engage me the minute I say a word, even if I am all smiles and exceptionally social that day. Just something I cannot explain or fix I guess.


Gotcha. Totally took your concerns in the wrong direction.

I'm a pretty shy person and naturally awkward but have been able to develop a rather confident--dare I say even charismatic--personality over the years. It is most likely something that you can fix. theavrock is correct about confidence, but there is a fine line between confidence is arrogance...and faking confidence often reads as arrogance.

I think it's really just important to practice being social. Go out to bar reviews. Spend time with lots of different types of people so that you become comfortable in different social environments (and because it's fun). Learn to find that balance between the type of person who is generally likeable and your *true* personality. You can and should have both (nobody likes phonies). Learn to balance the two so that you don't lose yourself but that you feel genuinely comfortable in any social setting. The easiest way to ease into general likeability in social settings (which will carry over into interviews) is to just be nice. Be friendly. Start there and see where it takes you. I'm not implying that you're unfriendly now; you certainly seem quite nice on here. But make a concerted effort to be nice. Think of it like cooking stew. Throw in a little friendliness, then see how that works. If it's too much, step back a little and talk less to observe more. Read others' reactions, and find a good balance.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Lasers » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:50 pm

for the apps i plan to send through snail mail, what type of paper should i use for the resume/cover letter?

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Cupidity » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:00 am

White between 24-30lb. Anything under 24 is computer paper, anything over is too much. An eggshell might be ok, but I think that Ivory sounds like you are trying too hard. Heavyweight white paper says, "I did it at a professional print shop because I want them to be nice, not because I wanted you to notice."

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby TheFutureLawyer » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:07 am

Cupidity wrote:White between 24-30lb. Anything under 24 is computer paper, anything over is too much. An eggshell might be ok, but I think that Ivory sounds like you are trying too hard. Heavyweight white paper says, "I did it at a professional print shop because I want them to be nice, not because I wanted you to notice."


lol

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby beachbum » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:18 am

Anyone have good questions to ask a judge during an interview?

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:23 am

When firm rejections say that they are interested in talking to you for next year's SA class, does that even mean anything, or is it just a generic "better luck next time"? Just wondering cause not all firms seem to add this little line at the end.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby theavrock » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:30 am

adonai wrote:When firm rejections say that they are interested in talking to you for next year's SA class, does that even mean anything, or is it just a generic "better luck next time"? Just wondering cause not all firms seem to add this little line at the end.


Interested in this as well. I've had a few that seemed generic and a few that seemed genuine.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby NYC Law » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:31 am

adonai wrote:When firm rejections say that they are interested in talking to you for next year's SA class, does that even mean anything, or is it just a generic "better luck next time"? Just wondering cause not all firms seem to add this little line at the end.


I'm pretty certain it's just generic to soften the blow. The same way some schools said "Feel free to apply to transfer here next year" in their rejections, it's just there to leave a little hope.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:39 am

NYC Law wrote:
adonai wrote:When firm rejections say that they are interested in talking to you for next year's SA class, does that even mean anything, or is it just a generic "better luck next time"? Just wondering cause not all firms seem to add this little line at the end.


I'm pretty certain it's just generic to soften the blow. The same way some schools said "Feel free to apply to transfer here next year" in their rejections, it's just there to leave a little hope.

Figured, because if they really were interested in talking to me for next year's SA class they would offer at least an info interview, or a phone call of some sort. But it sure is nice image control on their behalf. You really don't feel half as bad. Just kind of delusional today because I got like four rejections including a rejection after an interview all in one day today.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby letsdoit » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:25 am

pretty sure its generic because i had one firm tell me they aren't hiring 1Ls this summer but want to go ahead and have lunch with me while I'm in town to get a feel for a potential 2L position

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:29 am

letsdoit wrote:pretty sure its generic because i had one firm tell me they aren't hiring 1Ls this summer but want to go ahead and have lunch with me while I'm in town to get a feel for a potential 2L position

Pretty sure what you got was a request for an informational interview.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby DaveBear07 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:09 am

Interviewing with a judge tomorrow.

Quick questions for you all:

Should I use "Your honor," when speaking with the judge, or will "Yes, sir/no sir," be fine?

Also, should I ask about potentially splitting my summer at the end of the interview (when he puts it to me for questions) or wait until later?

---- any generic or specific advice is also welcomed and appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby NYC Law » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:30 am

Judicial Interview in a couple hours... I'm really hoping he asks me about justices, I'm ready to talk all day about Louis Brandeis (who actually was pretty damn awesome, I recommend everyone else look him up for when they're asked)

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby FeelTheHeat » Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:37 am

Working on my resume for the next few hours...meh

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby YourCaptain » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:00 pm

Lwoods wrote:
adonai wrote:
Lwoods wrote:Interview with a judge tomorrow morning! Any tips? I'm looking up his opinions on Westlaw and plan to have a bunch of questions prepared. I might try practicing my answers to predictable questions (like "tell me about yourself" and "what brought you to [city]?"). Any thoughts on questions I should ask and/or questions I should anticipate?

Thanks!

Why you want to intern for THAT specific judge, and also curveball questions like what is your favorite case, what is your favorite supreme court justice and why. Really watch out for the curveballs. You will get all the typical questions, so if you have those down pat, then study up on curveball questions/substantive law related questions.


Thanks! Those are great ideas.


do not mention specific opinions in an interview dear god.

the judge wants to see if they can work with you, not how well you can research them.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Lwoods » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:33 pm

YourCaptain wrote:
Lwoods wrote:
adonai wrote:
Lwoods wrote:Interview with a judge tomorrow morning! Any tips? I'm looking up his opinions on Westlaw and plan to have a bunch of questions prepared. I might try practicing my answers to predictable questions (like "tell me about yourself" and "what brought you to [city]?"). Any thoughts on questions I should ask and/or questions I should anticipate?

Thanks!

Why you want to intern for THAT specific judge, and also curveball questions like what is your favorite case, what is your favorite supreme court justice and why. Really watch out for the curveballs. You will get all the typical questions, so if you have those down pat, then study up on curveball questions/substantive law related questions.


Thanks! Those are great ideas.


do not mention specific opinions in an interview dear god.

the judge wants to see if they can work with you, not how well you can research them.


I didn't quote his opinions; I just familiarized myself with his work to help give myself a better idea of what work I would be doing.

Anyway, I got the job. There were no curveball questions. I'm really looking forward to working with him. :)

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby NYC Law » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:43 pm

Heading out to my Judicial interview soon... a little nervous because I'm not sure what I'll do if I receive an offer - I'm still not sure if I have to accept. Part of me doesn't want one because the AG gig sounds a little more interesting... Although it would be nice to already have an offer and just be able to chill all winter/spring.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby theavrock » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:53 pm

Do well. I am sure you'll nail it. I'll be interested to hear what sorts of questions the judge asks you.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:03 pm

Lwoods wrote:

I didn't quote his opinions; I just familiarized myself with his work to help give myself a better idea of what work I would be doing.

Anyway, I got the job. There were no curveball questions. I'm really looking forward to working with him. :)

Congrats! Feels great to know you have an option this summer.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby AreJay711 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:13 pm

I just sent off a few hail marry applications to some big firms. They just recently posted applications up on my school's CSO site so hopefully being after 12/1 won't be an issue.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Lwoods » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:14 pm

adonai wrote:
Lwoods wrote:

I didn't quote his opinions; I just familiarized myself with his work to help give myself a better idea of what work I would be doing.

Anyway, I got the job. There were no curveball questions. I'm really looking forward to working with him. :)

Congrats! Feels great to know you have an option this summer.


Thanks! I'm taking it. I already have firm experience, so I think this is ideal for me.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Dany » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:05 pm

FeelTheHeat wrote:Working on my resume for the next few hours...meh

I love working on my resume!

If only I loved writing cover letters, too.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby ilovesf » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:10 pm

Lwoods wrote:
I didn't quote his opinions; I just familiarized myself with his work to help give myself a better idea of what work I would be doing.

Anyway, I got the job. There were no curveball questions. I'm really looking forward to working with him. :)

Congrats on the job!! :)
I really need to work on my cover letters tomorrow.. ugh. I have about 10 more I want to write for public interest gigs, and I just cannot muster any motivation to write them whatsoever.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:25 pm

Dinged again from government agency that previously requested grades, which I obviously don't have. I think I'm getting numb to these things. Wish they would not give me a chance if they were going to go ahead and hire HYS kids anyway.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Judge Philip Banks » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:50 pm

How soon after a judicial interview should you send out a thank you? Same day, right?




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