The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby bk1 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:02 pm

adonai wrote:I hate how govt. folks use silence as a method of ding (that's been the pattern for all govt places I applied to). It only takes less than a minute to email me saying that I suck and should go die.


It's not just government. It's everyone.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby reformed calvinist » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:05 pm

bk1 wrote:
adonai wrote:I hate how govt. folks use silence as a method of ding (that's been the pattern for all govt places I applied to). It only takes less than a minute to email me saying that I suck and should go die.


It's not just government. It's everyone.


Yup. Honestly, I don't expect a response from every single place I send a resume to, but if you're going to interview someone, is it so much to ask that you let them know?

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby acrossthelake » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:08 pm

adonai wrote:
bk1 wrote:
adonai wrote:Been a couple weeks since I sent in some apps to judges. One asked for a transcript (meh) and one said he's not taking externs. The rest gave no response whatsoever. Safe to say I'm dinged from the nonresponders and move on?

That's what I would assume.

I hate how govt. folks use silence as a method of ding (that's been the pattern for all govt places I applied to). It only takes less than a minute to email me saying that I suck and should go die.


Tbf, do you really want your tax dollars to go to someone sitting there typing it in for the many many apps they send out? I just assume if I haven't heard by a certain amount of time that I'm not going to.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:10 pm

reformed calvinist wrote:
bk1 wrote:
adonai wrote:I hate how govt. folks use silence as a method of ding (that's been the pattern for all govt places I applied to). It only takes less than a minute to email me saying that I suck and should go die.


It's not just government. It's everyone.


Yup. Honestly, I don't expect a response from every single place I send a resume to, but if you're going to interview someone, is it so much to ask that you let them know?

Seriously. Interviewed at a govt. agency who said they will let me know by the end of that month. Waited 2 weeks after that deadline to call for an update. Called for an update and was told by the end of the week. A month goes by and still nothing. E-mailed this time for an update. No response again. You cannot possibly be THAT BUSY.
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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Dany » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:11 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
adonai wrote:
bk1 wrote:
adonai wrote:Been a couple weeks since I sent in some apps to judges. One asked for a transcript (meh) and one said he's not taking externs. The rest gave no response whatsoever. Safe to say I'm dinged from the nonresponders and move on?

That's what I would assume.

I hate how govt. folks use silence as a method of ding (that's been the pattern for all govt places I applied to). It only takes less than a minute to email me saying that I suck and should go die.

Tbf, do you really want your tax dollars to go to someone sitting there typing it in for the many many apps they send out? I just assume if I haven't heard by a certain amount of time that I'm not going to.

Yeah I do. I think it's rude not to let someone know when they're rejected. It's not like the government is super responsible with everything else - this actually affects me so I would appreciate an email.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:12 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
adonai wrote:
bk1 wrote:
adonai wrote:Been a couple weeks since I sent in some apps to judges. One asked for a transcript (meh) and one said he's not taking externs. The rest gave no response whatsoever. Safe to say I'm dinged from the nonresponders and move on?

That's what I would assume.

I hate how govt. folks use silence as a method of ding (that's been the pattern for all govt places I applied to). It only takes less than a minute to email me saying that I suck and should go die.


Tbf, do you really want your tax dollars to go to someone sitting there typing it in for the many many apps they send out? I just assume if I haven't heard by a certain amount of time that I'm not going to.

I just think it is common courtesy to let someone know. I mean, our tax dollars are going to them for reviewing our apps, right?

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:31 pm

its like jerry from Parks and Recreation said "Its not government work, unless you do it twice". I went to a few PI interviews in Austin and have since emailed asking for the status a few times, since the interviewer said he might get busy and to keep emailing but I still haven't heard anything.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:for those who received 1L SA offers, how did the employer contact you to let you know of your offer? and as a follow up how long after your interview did your offer come?

Im asking because im tired of getting a false hope every time I get an email :?


Phone = Good.

Mail = Bad.

Email = whothefuckknows

I got one offer via phone and one offer via email even though I've always been told email is bad. I do know that snail mail is bad.

I'm just glad I got a paid 1L SA gig out here at my TT. Kind of shocked, really.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby sundance95 » Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:57 am

acrossthelake wrote:Tbf, do you really want your tax dollars to go to someone sitting there typing it in for the many many apps they send out? I just assume if I haven't heard by a certain amount of time that I'm not going to.

You're assuming that gov't support staff are using time they save by not emailing out a mass ding via a spreadsheet productively.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby acrossthelake » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:23 pm

Dany wrote:Yeah I do. I think it's rude not to let someone know when they're rejected. It's not like the government is super responsible with everything else - this actually affects me so I would appreciate an email.


I guess I don't even remember half of the places I've applied to, and have mostly been surprised to get rejection letters ("Oh, I suppose I did apply here...") I expect a response if I've made it past the mass cover letter stage, otherwise I'm v. whatever about it. I think I expect that level of non-response.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby bdubs » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:34 pm

acrossthelake wrote:
Dany wrote:Yeah I do. I think it's rude not to let someone know when they're rejected. It's not like the government is super responsible with everything else - this actually affects me so I would appreciate an email.


I guess I don't even remember half of the places I've applied to, and have mostly been surprised to get rejection letters ("Oh, I suppose I did apply here...") I expect a response if I've made it past the mass cover letter stage, otherwise I'm v. whatever about it. I think I expect that level of non-response.


I'm still receiving rejection e-mails from firms that I applied to months ago.

1) These things take forever to go from start to finish, and they generally don't reject people until everything is wrapped up.
2) They seem to be using the rejection e-mail as a marketing tool for OCI. Either trying to encourage people to keep them in mind when bidding, or sending invitations to receptions or similar events along with the "sorry our class is full" email.

The government is just really, really slow.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby crazyventures » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:08 pm

Any experiences with WLs this cycle? I'm currently languishing on two WLs (#1 at a small PI org and #3 at a DA's office) at the moment and am wondering what the probability is of people turning down DA offers this late in the game. :(

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:08 pm

crazyventures wrote:Any experiences with WLs this cycle? I'm currently languishing on two WLs (#1 at a small PI org and #3 at a DA's office) at the moment and am wondering what the probability is of people turning down DA offers this late in the game. :(

First time I ever heard of waitlists for summer jobs. I think you and I may have to retake/ED

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Puttanesca » Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:52 pm

crazyventures wrote:Any experiences with WLs this cycle? I'm currently languishing on two WLs (#1 at a small PI org and #3 at a DA's office) at the moment and am wondering what the probability is of people turning down DA offers this late in the game. :(


Waitlists for summer jobs? Interesting. Didn't know those existed. How long ago did interviews take place? I would think you would only get a spot if someone reneged his/her acceptance. Most people who renege would probably only do so for an SA or high-paying in-house gig. Most SA's positions are probably full already. Not sure about in-house.

No harm in staying on the WL's, but if you have something else, I would just wait until the deadline for when you have to accept, and if nothing else turns up, go with that.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby crazyventures » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:30 pm

Puttanesca wrote:
crazyventures wrote:Any experiences with WLs this cycle? I'm currently languishing on two WLs (#1 at a small PI org and #3 at a DA's office) at the moment and am wondering what the probability is of people turning down DA offers this late in the game. :(


Waitlists for summer jobs? Interesting. Didn't know those existed. How long ago did interviews take place? I would think you would only get a spot if someone reneged his/her acceptance. Most people who renege would probably only do so for an SA or high-paying in-house gig. Most SA's positions are probably full already. Not sure about in-house.

No harm in staying on the WL's, but if you have something else, I would just wait until the deadline for when you have to accept, and if nothing else turns up, go with that.


Neither had I, honestly...I thought I'd be done with WLs after applying for LS. :roll: The DA just notified today and they're giving the people who were offered spots one week to accept/decline and the small PI org notified me a few days ago...all of the interviews took place within the last month or so. I'm just going to hope some people decline their offers because I'm starting to freak out a bit about not having an offer lined up.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Puttanesca » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:40 pm

crazyventures wrote:
Puttanesca wrote:
crazyventures wrote:Any experiences with WLs this cycle? I'm currently languishing on two WLs (#1 at a small PI org and #3 at a DA's office) at the moment and am wondering what the probability is of people turning down DA offers this late in the game. :(


Waitlists for summer jobs? Interesting. Didn't know those existed. How long ago did interviews take place? I would think you would only get a spot if someone reneged his/her acceptance. Most people who renege would probably only do so for an SA or high-paying in-house gig. Most SA's positions are probably full already. Not sure about in-house.

No harm in staying on the WL's, but if you have something else, I would just wait until the deadline for when you have to accept, and if nothing else turns up, go with that.


Neither had I, honestly...I thought I'd be done with WLs after applying for LS. :roll: The DA just notified today and they're giving the people who were offered spots one week to accept/decline and the small PI org notified me a few days ago...all of the interviews took place within the last month or so. I'm just going to hope some people decline their offers because I'm starting to freak out a bit about not having an offer lined up.


Oh, if people are just making the initial decision to accept/reject the internship, I think you have a decent chance, especially at the one where you are #1 on the wait list. If people had already accepted, and the employers were just holding you on the wait list in case people reneged, that would be a lot harder, but fortunately, that's not the case. Good luck!

Also, just curious, do you think the wait list thing is unique to the market where you applied? If it were just one employer with a wait list, I'd say it was just an anomaly, but there are at least two who maintain wait lists. Is this common in your market?

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby crazyventures » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:52 pm

Puttanesca wrote:
crazyventures wrote:
Puttanesca wrote:
crazyventures wrote:Any experiences with WLs this cycle? I'm currently languishing on two WLs (#1 at a small PI org and #3 at a DA's office) at the moment and am wondering what the probability is of people turning down DA offers this late in the game. :(


Waitlists for summer jobs? Interesting. Didn't know those existed. How long ago did interviews take place? I would think you would only get a spot if someone reneged his/her acceptance. Most people who renege would probably only do so for an SA or high-paying in-house gig. Most SA's positions are probably full already. Not sure about in-house.

No harm in staying on the WL's, but if you have something else, I would just wait until the deadline for when you have to accept, and if nothing else turns up, go with that.


Neither had I, honestly...I thought I'd be done with WLs after applying for LS. :roll: The DA just notified today and they're giving the people who were offered spots one week to accept/decline and the small PI org notified me a few days ago...all of the interviews took place within the last month or so. I'm just going to hope some people decline their offers because I'm starting to freak out a bit about not having an offer lined up.


Oh, if people are just making the initial decision to accept/reject the internship, I think you have a decent chance, especially at the one where you are #1 on the wait list. If people had already accepted, and the employers were just holding you on the wait list in case people reneged, that would be a lot harder, but fortunately, that's not the case. Good luck!

Also, just curious, do you think the wait list thing is unique to the market where you applied? If it were just one employer with a wait list, I'd say it was just an anomaly, but there are at least two who maintain wait lists. Is this common in your market?


I was concentrating on a specific region in CA but I definitely know of at least one person who got wait listed at a DA office in a different region of CA. I haven't really heard anything about it other than that, which is why I'm confused as to my chances. Thanks for the good luck wishes...I'm going to need it!

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby FeelTheHeat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:44 am

Interview with a COA judge at 11 let's go let's go let's go

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby ilovesf » Thu Mar 22, 2012 11:03 am

FeelTheHeat wrote:Interview with a COA judge at 11 let's go let's go let's go

good luck!

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby JJDancer » Thu Mar 22, 2012 12:26 pm

adonai wrote:Been a couple weeks since I sent in some apps to judges. One asked for a transcript (meh) and one said he's not taking externs. The rest gave no response whatsoever. Safe to say I'm dinged from the nonresponders and move on?

One way to check this is call their office and ask their secretary/assistant if all the summer positions have been filled. This may give you a better idea of whether to hold out any hope.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:38 pm

I accepted a position at a firm in NJ on Feb. 23 and have had no further contact. How long should I wait before contacting them to figure out my starting date and whatever else I need to know.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby bk1 » Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I accepted a position at a firm in NJ on Feb. 23 and have had no further contact. How long should I wait before contacting them to figure out my starting date and whatever else I need to know.


Just email your recruitment contact in the firm. I'm sure they'll send you all the specifics you need. No reason to be bashful about it, you have flights/rent/etc to figure out.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby FeelTheHeat » Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:54 pm

Got it!

Very laid-back interview. Talked to the two clerks for most of it... admittedly got a bit nervous around the judge, but that died down after a bit. What is the standard protocol for a thank you? E-mail or letter? When should I have it out by? Thanks.

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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby adonai » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:02 pm

FeelTheHeat wrote:Got it!

Very laid-back interview. Talked to the two clerks for most of it... admittedly got a bit nervous around the judge, but that died down after a bit. What is the standard protocol for a thank you? E-mail or letter? When should I have it out by? Thanks.

Cannot go wrong with handwritten, but I don't think it would matter since your chambers seems very laid back. I am not sure but I don't think you even need to send a thank you letter if you immediately got the job? Usually it is sent after an interview during the waiting period. That's pretty amazing you got a fed. COA job this late into the game. What circuit/area?
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Re: The Official 1L Summer Employment Thread - 2012 Edition

Postby drmguy » Thu Mar 22, 2012 3:03 pm

adonai wrote:
FeelTheHeat wrote:Got it!

Very laid-back interview. Talked to the two clerks for most of it... admittedly got a bit nervous around the judge, but that died down after a bit. What is the standard protocol for a thank you? E-mail or letter? When should I have it out by? Thanks.

Cannot go wrong with handwritten. I am not sure but I don't think you have to send a thank you letter if you immediately got the job? Usually it is sent after an interview during the waiting period. That's pretty amazing you got a fed. COA job this late into the game. What circuit/area?

Yes, you can go wrong with a handwritten letter.

If your handwriting is terrible then type something and sign the bottom.




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