2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 29, 2012 12:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
zazos wrote:The Proskauer NY data reported earlier is not totally accurate. The accurate count is:

Harvard: 3
Columbia: 5
NYU: 6
Berkeley: 2
Penn: 2
Duke: 1
Cornell: 2
Northwestern: 1
GTown: 2
WUSTL: 1
Tulane: 1
Cardozo: 1
Brooklyn: 1
Hofstra: 1
UToronto: 1

Total 30

Why so few people from Harvard and no people from Stanford/Yale? Do you think this is a matter of self selection?


only ~25-30 SLSers go to NYC each year, and most shoot higher.

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 29, 2012 4:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Updated Jones Day NY distribution, 26 total:

NYU - 5
Columbia - 5
Penn - 5
Harvard - 4
Michigan - 2
Cardozo - 2
Chicago - 1
Tulane - 1
Pace - 1


does no stanford/yale people mean that nobody from stanford/yale wanted jones day ny? perplexed by the many summer classes without sy representation

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:11 pm

They're both very small schools, and the Stanford and Yale students who do go to biglaw in NY go to V10 firms almost exclusively, with only maybe one out three firms in the V11-50 range getting a Stanford or Yale student.

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:35 pm

does no stanford/yale people mean that nobody from stanford/yale wanted jones day ny


Pretty much. Why would they go there when they usually have much better options in NYC?

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:52 pm

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does no stanford/yale people mean that nobody from stanford/yale wanted jones day ny


Pretty much. Why would they go there when they usually have much better options in NYC?


Yep. Cravath, Wachtell, SullCrom, and Williams and Connolly alone pick up about 20% of the YLS class.

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:35 pm

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does no stanford/yale people mean that nobody from stanford/yale wanted jones day ny


Pretty much. Why would they go there when they usually have much better options in NYC?


Yep. Cravath, Wachtell, SullCrom, and Williams and Connolly alone pick up about 20% of the YLS class.


how about stanford/why not stanford?

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Old Gregg » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:41 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
does no stanford/yale people mean that nobody from stanford/yale wanted jones day ny


Pretty much. Why would they go there when they usually have much better options in NYC?


Yep. Cravath, Wachtell, SullCrom, and Williams and Connolly alone pick up about 20% of the YLS class.


how about stanford/why not stanford?


...because the majority don't care for NYC, and for those that do, see the explanation above.

It isn't rocket science.

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:52 pm

Fresh Prince wrote:Pretty much. Why would they go there when they usually have much better options in NYC?


Yep. Cravath, Wachtell, SullCrom, and Williams and Connolly alone pick up about 20% of the YLS class.[/quote]

how about stanford/why not stanford?[/quote]

...because the majority don't care for NYC, and for those that do, see the explanation above.

It isn't rocket science.[/quote]

well, it could also be that jones day nyc chose not to hire stanford grads for whatever reason. how are you so sure that all sls students that wanted big law in nyc self selected into different or better firms?

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Old Gregg » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:57 pm

well, it could also be that jones day nyc chose not to hire stanford grads for whatever reason. how are you so sure that all sls students that wanted big law in nyc self selected into different or better firms?


It's far, far more likely that it's the latter, though I am sure there are a few SLS students dinged by Jones Day New York every year. But again, while there are exceptions like that, self selection easily explains it.

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Nightrunner » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:well, it could also be that jones day nyc chose not to hire stanford grads for whatever reason. how are you so sure that all sls students that wanted big law in nyc self selected into different or better firms?

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:06 pm

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well, it could also be that jones day nyc chose not to hire stanford grads for whatever reason. how are you so sure that all sls students that wanted big law in nyc self selected into different or better firms?


It's far, far more likely that it's the latter, though I am sure there are a few SLS students dinged by Jones Day New York every year. But again, while there are exceptions like that, self selection easily explains it.


This. I didn't get a CB with V100 firms at NYC while batting almost 1.000 with the V15 and above. It's a combination of SLS students wanting to go elsewhere and those firms not wanting to waste a recruiting trip on students who are ultimately going to go elsewhere. An SLS student with 8 Hs is going to do very well at highly ranked firms and much less well at the V30-V75 level, absent demonstrable interest in what that firm is known for.

There are only about 30-40 SLS students who go to NYC in general, and this summer half or so are at one of the V10.

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:13 pm

Jones Day has a number of Stanford people in their California offices, but I think its probably true that, for the few who come all the way out to NY, they typically do so solely for the most prestigious V10 firms.

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:38 pm

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Fresh Prince wrote:
well, it could also be that jones day nyc chose not to hire stanford grads for whatever reason. how are you so sure that all sls students that wanted big law in nyc self selected into different or better firms?


It's far, far more likely that it's the latter, though I am sure there are a few SLS students dinged by Jones Day New York every year. But again, while there are exceptions like that, self selection easily explains it.


This. I didn't get a CB with V100 firms at NYC while batting almost 1.000 with the V15 and above. It's a combination of SLS students wanting to go elsewhere and those firms not wanting to waste a recruiting trip on students who are ultimately going to go elsewhere. An SLS student with 8 Hs is going to do very well at highly ranked firms and much less well at the V30-V75 level, absent demonstrable interest in what that firm is known for.

There are only about 30-40 SLS students who go to NYC in general, and this summer half or so are at one of the V10.


does this mean it is easier to get V10 in nyc and on the east coast from stanford than harvard due to lack of competition? does the same hold for harvard grads being rare and highly sought after on the west coast?

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Re: 2012 Class Sizes, School Distributions, other useful data

Postby nygrrrl » Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:does this mean it is easier to get V10 in nyc and on the east coast from stanford than harvard due to lack of competition? does the same hold for harvard grads being rare and highly sought after on the west coast?

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