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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Dec 25, 2013 3:00 pm

spleenworship wrote:Wouldn't it be more awkward to show up and have them remember you and be like "hey, didn't we reject you already?" I say tell them what's up. It shows you aren't giving up and avoids embarrassment if they really don't want to give you a second chance.

IMO, of course.


Good point. I think the second round is more like a panel, but I don't know details. I don't have anything to lose if I try.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby spleenworship » Wed Dec 25, 2013 4:30 pm

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spleenworship wrote:Wouldn't it be more awkward to show up and have them remember you and be like "hey, didn't we reject you already?" I say tell them what's up. It shows you aren't giving up and avoids embarrassment if they really don't want to give you a second chance.

IMO, of course.


Good point. I think the second round is more like a panel, but I don't know details. I don't have anything to lose if I try.


Round 2 was a hypo, with closing and cross. And chatting. Of course, I'm not real clear on the rounds, tbh. But round 3 is the panel with a bunch of PDs if I understand correctly.

Good luck!

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:06 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Just got an interview with Philly


How are they notifying people?

By email for me.
-different anon


+1


original anon- by email, then asking you to call to schedule an interview.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:08 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Does anyone know how long the Palm Beach panel interviews are?

One hour, give or take.


I misplaced the cards while traveling, can you please list the names of the chiefs that were interviewing during the panel interview?

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Dec 27, 2013 10:29 pm

Any word from cpcs??

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 28, 2013 12:15 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Is anyone else feeling down and out about this whole interview process? I keep hearing things like the top candidates get picked first etc... I'm starting to doubt my skills and experience ( 4 pd internships/clinic) with all of these rejections staying positive is hard. How are you guys doing it? I've been asking for advice from my cso and trusted profs or supervisors but everyone is giving me positive feedback. This break I'm going to try to reframe things but it's hard.


YES. I'm not even getting rejections yet and I'm feeling down. I've sent out dozens of applications, and just haven't heard back from most places. I guess I'm glad I didn't get a bunch of rejections right before christmas, but it sucks not knowing where I'll be next year. Here's to feeling shitty and restless until we finally find jobs.

Yeah at least you still have hope I recently just had three rejections in a row. It is really making me feel like I am not doing what I'm supposed to be doing or in doing something wrong. I've been given positive feedback in interviews but I am not getting offers so I have no idea. Maybe they're being nice. I don't really have a plan B so I am not sure what I'm going to do if nothing comes through.


You're gonna take the bar and apply to smaller offices that don't hire pre-bar. It's gonna be scary as hell and IT SUCKS but you gotta hang in there!

Then where do u know to take the bar? No email from Philly guess that means I'm a ding there. Really 4 pd internships and dings everywhere?

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Dec 28, 2013 1:18 pm

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You're gonna take the bar and apply to smaller offices that don't hire pre-bar. It's gonna be scary as hell and IT SUCKS but you gotta hang in there!

Then where do u know to take the bar? No email from Philly guess that means I'm a ding there. Really 4 pd internships and dings everywhere?[/quote]
You decide on a state, preferably a state that is home to you in some way. And you apply to offices there. You get on their list serves if you can through the state website and you apply. You email blast. You take the bar in that state and you waive into DC. You do what you can. It'll work out :)

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby jessuf » Sat Dec 28, 2013 3:21 pm

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You're gonna take the bar and apply to smaller offices that don't hire pre-bar. It's gonna be scary as hell and IT SUCKS but you gotta hang in there!

Then where do u know to take the bar? No email from Philly guess that means I'm a ding there. Really 4 pd internships and dings everywhere?

You decide on a state, preferably a state that is home to you in some way. And you apply to offices there. You get on their list serves if you can through the state website and you apply. You email blast. You take the bar in that state and you waive into DC. You do what you can. It'll work out :)[/quote]
This is my plan for California, except I received a lovely rejection e-mail on Christmas that said I had to have an address in the county before they would consider my application. :|

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Tanicius » Sat Dec 28, 2013 4:08 pm

Jessuf wrote:This is my plan for California, except I received a lovely rejection e-mail on Christmas that said I had to have an address in the county before they would consider my application. :|


I just... I... wow, just wow. Yes, you now have to move to your office's precise location before you can have a chance to find out whether they will let you work for them.
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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Borhas » Sat Dec 28, 2013 5:45 pm

Jessuf wrote:This is my plan for California, except I received a lovely rejection e-mail on Christmas that said I had to have an address in the county before they would consider my application. :|


perhaps get a PO Box in the county

also that's lame as shit

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Dec 29, 2013 1:55 pm

For people with Philly interviews do you have ties? Not from the area but was gunning for them, no interview request. Also I know some had heard about scheduling firs rounds with LAS recently has anyone heard about scheduling a second round recently? Interviewed in October and was supposed to hear back early December but asked the scheduler about it two weeks ago and still said processing my application. Anyone who interviewed in NH in December hear back yet?

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:01 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For people with Philly interviews do you have ties? Not from the area but was gunning for them, no interview request. Also I know some had heard about scheduling firs rounds with LAS recently has anyone heard about scheduling a second round recently? Interviewed in October and was supposed to hear back early December but asked the scheduler about it two weeks ago and still said processing my application. Anyone who interviewed in NH in December hear back yet?


The only tie I have is a family friend there. And I liked visiting Philly.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For people with Philly interviews do you have ties? Not from the area but was gunning for them, no interview request. Also I know some had heard about scheduling firs rounds with LAS recently has anyone heard about scheduling a second round recently? Interviewed in October and was supposed to hear back early December but asked the scheduler about it two weeks ago and still said processing my application. Anyone who interviewed in NH in December hear back yet?


I received a Philly interview and have no ties to the area and didn't mention anything specific to the office in my cover letter.

Some people in this thread have received NHPD offers, but I'm not sure when they interviewed. I interviewed in December and haven't heard anything.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:28 am

Has anyone applied or interviewed with Legal Aid Society juvenile rights?

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:38 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone applied or interviewed with Legal Aid Society juvenile rights?


Yes, I interviewed at the beginning of December with two staff attorneys who asked about my resume, past experience, gave a couple of hypos and asked how I would handle the situation. Have not heard back yet for a final interview.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:11 pm

Interview with Philly. So emails are still being sent out today.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For people with Philly interviews do you have ties? Not from the area but was gunning for them, no interview request. Also I know some had heard about scheduling firs rounds with LAS recently has anyone heard about scheduling a second round recently? Interviewed in October and was supposed to hear back early December but asked the scheduler about it two weeks ago and still said processing my application. Anyone who interviewed in NH in December hear back yet?


No ties to the area that they know of. My boyfriend is from the area, but I didn't advertise that.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:54 pm

So I'm sure we have all had the ethics question during an interview: your client tells you he did it but still wants to testify.

Any idea what the actual answer is? I feel like they push back on you no matter what and obviously want to ensure your gut instinct is to protect your client and not throw him under the bus, but any thoughts on this would be great. Thanks!

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:23 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone applied or interviewed with Legal Aid Society juvenile rights?


Yes, I interviewed at the beginning of December with two staff attorneys who asked about my resume, past experience, gave a couple of hypos and asked how I would handle the situation. Have not heard back yet for a final interview.


Thanks. So from what you know, there are 2 rounds of interviews? Also what kinda of hypos did they give you? I don't know much about the child protective role.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 7:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For people with Philly interviews do you have ties? Not from the area but was gunning for them, no interview request. Also I know some had heard about scheduling firs rounds with LAS recently has anyone heard about scheduling a second round recently? Interviewed in October and was supposed to hear back early December but asked the scheduler about it two weeks ago and still said processing my application. Anyone who interviewed in NH in December hear back yet?

I just received a Philly interview--no ties.

I know that the LAS hiring committee is meeting on Jan. 7 and will notify people about 2nd and 3rd rounds after that date. I interviewed in December (first round).

I interviewed in NH in December. Received an offer.

I accepted a different offer and pulled out of all of the above processes. Hope that frees up some space! Good luck everyone!

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:41 pm

For those who have heard back from the Bronx Defender's who interviewed in late November, how did they inform you? Was it different if you were accepted versus rejected.

Thanks for your help!

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby FlanAl » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So I'm sure we have all had the ethics question during an interview: your client tells you he did it but still wants to testify.

Any idea what the actual answer is? I feel like they push back on you no matter what and obviously want to ensure your gut instinct is to protect your client and not throw him under the bus, but any thoughts on this would be great. Thanks!



I'm pretty sure that the answer is that you let them testify but you don't do the questioning. There's actually some technical term for it but I can't remember what it is.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby jessuf » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:49 pm

FlanAl wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:So I'm sure we have all had the ethics question during an interview: your client tells you he did it but still wants to testify.

Any idea what the actual answer is? I feel like they push back on you no matter what and obviously want to ensure your gut instinct is to protect your client and not throw him under the bus, but any thoughts on this would be great. Thanks!



I'm pretty sure that the answer is that you let them testify but you don't do the questioning. There's actually some technical term for it but I can't remember what it is.

I dunno the term, but you could (1) request to withdraw or (2) ask the client to testify in narrative format like "What do you wish to tell the jurors/judge today?" You just wouldn't be able to argue any stuff from client's testimony (if knowingly false) in your closing.

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:20 pm

I gave the narrative answer in jersey and got laughed at. The guy was kind of a jerk though

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Re: 3L Public Defender Applications

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:00 am

Edit: poor use of anon. See below.




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