though a Suga Mama prof sounds pretty awesome no matter who you are
Dude. The really, really high paying entry level t-t jobs in the humanities, arts and social sciences pay MAYBE $75k. Most will be in the $55k-$65k range.
though a Suga Mama prof sounds pretty awesome no matter who you are
tlstlstls73 wrote:RVP11 wrote:mrloblaw wrote:In today's legal world, you get a v10 job, you go. Period. Your spouse deals, or you divorce. Those are the options.
Are you a 0L?
The difference between a V10 and a good firm in a smaller market (or a good government job) is miniscule compared to the difference between tenure-track at a major university and teaching at a community college.
A tenure-track position is the whole goal of the PhD. Implying that a corporate V10 job in NYC is the whole goal of the JD is absurd.
For many people, that is the whole goal of a JD.
Anonymous User wrote:though a Suga Mama prof sounds pretty awesome no matter who you are
Dude. The really, really high paying entry level t-t jobs in the humanities, arts and social sciences pay MAYBE $75k. Most will be in the $35k-$45k range.
Anonymous User wrote:though a Suga Mama prof sounds pretty awesome no matter who you are
Dude. The really, really high paying entry level t-t jobs in the humanities, arts and social sciences pay MAYBE $75k. Most will be in the $55k-$65k range.
Most will be in the $35k-$45k range.
RVP11 wrote:mrloblaw wrote:In today's legal world, you get a v10 job, you go. Period. Your spouse deals, or you divorce. Those are the options.
Are you a 0L?
The difference between a V10 and a good firm in a smaller market (or a good government job) is miniscule compared to the difference between tenure-track at a major university and teaching at a community college.
A tenure-track position is the whole goal of the PhD. Implying that a corporate V10 job in NYC is the whole goal of the JD is absurd.
When a married couple is picking a career, how does it make any sense to pick the career in the low six figure range at the high end over the career starting out @ 160k? How is this good for the collective, comrade?
Anonymous User wrote:Anonymous User wrote:fact, you should be encouraging her to take 3 years and try to have an article published by the time she's done. That is a good career compromise--it lets her follow her passion on a slightly slower schedule, and lets you save money and develop skills to make yourself more marketable. Then, finding a decent job could easily take a year, and universities often hire in advance (so she'd be interviewing 9 months before she would start).
It's not that this is bad advice, it's just that it's unlikely that your wife will have this much control over her career options. At least in my (spouse's) experience, you should plan to go on the market for 3-4 years before you land a job, but you very well may get one the first year.
Though one thing she might look into is a post-doc -- those often can be done at (and sometimes are awarded by) the PhD institution. That would buy you guys an extra year or two.
She doesn't have control over whether she gets a job the first year on the market. She does have control over when she goes on the market, though. She can control finishing her dissertation + an article in a related area in three years instead of just a dissertation in 2. A post-doc is a good choice but only for some fields.
Anonymous User wrote:First, OF COURSE you move for the spouse's t-t job. One of the consequences of going for an academic career is sacrificing control over geography. If you compare the difficulty of getting a good t-t job and a BigLaw job, it's a no-brainer.
Second, once the job offer happens, the university will be very helpful in spousal placement. I haven't done this as a lawyer, but I was a professor pre-law school and know a lot about academic hiring.) This is particularly the case if you're in law, since it's a relatively mobile profession in the sense that there is at least some litigation and some transactional work happening everywhere -- you may just have to pick up a new practice area or become more of a generalist. While the university will give you some help no matter what, the amount of help you'll get will vary proportionally with the remoteness and smallness of the college town.
In a small college town, a university may even offer you a position with their GC's office or within their administration (non-academic components of isolated universities are packed with trailing spouses), or they will get the local law firm with whom they do a lot of outside business, which will usually be the biggest office in their small college town, to give you a job. These colleges are highly motivated to make couples happy and stable. The pay will be much less than BigLaw, but COL will be low and hours/stress will be great.
One thing to consider might be getting some experience with IP, because unless you're going to a small liberal arts college, that will be a big deal in either the university internally or in firms catering to local tech start-ups. Another consideration is that in many places, small college towns are within commuting distance (say if you live halfway between) of large metro areas where there will be a lot of larger firms where you can lateral in from BigLaw, especially when the college calls in its connections.
tlstlstls73 wrote:Oh, you get paid for this stuff? Sign me up. Sadly, I guess, that just make law school look like more of a scam.
In response to the t-t prof = scam post: The difference is that most (and all of the even remotely qualified) people in Ph.D programs have funding. My wife has $0 in student loans. And of course there's the whole "doing what you love" thing, which is worth a lot of pay on its own.
Second, once the job offer happens, the university will be very helpful in spousal placement.
Besides, what school is she going to wind up at where there isn't at least a reasonable sized city within a couple hour drive?
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