Will c/o 2013 experience significant #s of no-offers?
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:45 pm
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Story?romothesavior wrote:Firms are hiring pretty conservatively right now, although some (*cough cough* A&B in Atlanta *cough*) still managed to get bit in the ass this past summer.
Heard they no-offered half their summer class.Sup Kid wrote:Story?romothesavior wrote:Firms are hiring pretty conservatively right now, although some (*cough cough* A&B in Atlanta *cough*) still managed to get bit in the ass this past summer.
I really hope that's not true, if only for the sake of my UGA homies.romothesavior wrote:Heard they no-offered half their summer class.Sup Kid wrote:Story?romothesavior wrote:Firms are hiring pretty conservatively right now, although some (*cough cough* A&B in Atlanta *cough*) still managed to get bit in the ass this past summer.
I have heard it from multiple (pretty reliable) sources. So I wouldn't bet my house on it, but I'm about 90% sure it is true.mrloblaw wrote:I really hope that's not true, if only for the sake of my UGA homies.romothesavior wrote:Heard they no-offered half their summer class.Sup Kid wrote:Story?romothesavior wrote:Firms are hiring pretty conservatively right now, although some (*cough cough* A&B in Atlanta *cough*) still managed to get bit in the ass this past summer.
That's absolutely not true. They no-offered 3 people in all of their offices combined, 2 in Atlanta. The no-offers at least in Atlanta were because of serious work product issues, not because of a lack of space.romothesavior wrote: I have heard it from multiple (pretty reliable) sources. So I wouldn't bet my house on it, but I'm about 90% sure it is true.
there's no need for idiotic hyperbole in this thread.cattleprod wrote:If Obama wins re-election, the economy is phucked and expect there to be plenty of no-offers.
If the Republican wins, the economy will improve dramatically for the class of 2013 everyone will get the job of their dreams.
Rick perry is trolling tls now?cattleprod wrote:If Obama wins re-election, the economy is phucked and expect there to be plenty of no-offers.
If the Republican wins, the economy will improve dramatically for the class of 2013 everyone will get the job of their dreams.
Welp, I got this info from two very solid, independent sources, so I'm still skeptical of this article. Are they counting "cold offers" as offers? Because that is what allegedly happened to a good number of people there. Law firms are pretty good at playing games as well, so just because it is in their "official" data doesn't mean that's how it went down.Anonymous User wrote:That's absolutely not true. They no-offered 3 people in all of their offices combined, 2 in Atlanta. The no-offers at least in Atlanta were because of serious work product issues, not because of a lack of space.romothesavior wrote: I have heard it from multiple (pretty reliable) sources. So I wouldn't bet my house on it, but I'm about 90% sure it is true.
See here for confirmation:http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdail ... ffers.html
Anon. Poster from above who said it wasn't true. I do have personal knowledge of what happened... I summered at A&B last summer. AmLaw isn't lying this time. Sorry.romothesavior wrote:Welp, I got this info from two very solid, independent sources, so I'm still skeptical of this article. Are they counting "cold offers" as offers? Because that is what allegedly happened to a good number of people there. Law firms are pretty good at playing games as well, so just because it is in their "official" data doesn't mean that's how it went down.Anonymous User wrote:That's absolutely not true. They no-offered 3 people in all of their offices combined, 2 in Atlanta. The no-offers at least in Atlanta were because of serious work product issues, not because of a lack of space.romothesavior wrote: I have heard it from multiple (pretty reliable) sources. So I wouldn't bet my house on it, but I'm about 90% sure it is true.
See here for confirmation:http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdail ... ffers.html
If anyone has some personal knowledge of what happened, I'd love to hear it.
Well that's good, and no need for the "sorry" (it's not like I was hoping A&B no-offered half the class, quite the opposite actually). But if you're correct (and I'm sure you are if you summered there), then there's some serious misinformation floating around re: your summer class, and the info came to me from people who are supposedly in the know about A&B.Anonymous User wrote:Anon. Poster from above who said it wasn't true. I do have personal knowledge of what happened... I summered at A&B last summer. AmLaw isn't lying this time. Sorry.
Anon from before: sorry, my last post came out a little harsh. It's just insanely frustrating to hear these rumors b/c A&B is one of the most transparent firms and tells summers when they start that the offer is theirs to lose. A&B was able to point to very tangible things to warrant the no-offers (at least the 2 in ATL). I'm sure it was a hard choice for them, because those 2 were awesome people whom we all liked.romothesavior wrote:Well that's good, and no need for the "sorry" (it's not like I was hoping A&B no-offered half the class, quite the opposite actually). But if you're correct (and I'm sure you are if you summered there), then there's some serious misinformation floating around re: your summer class, and the info came to me from people who are supposedly in the know about A&B.Anonymous User wrote:Anon. Poster from above who said it wasn't true. I do have personal knowledge of what happened... I summered at A&B last summer. AmLaw isn't lying this time. Sorry.
In any case, glad to hear the offer rate was high, and congrats on the offer.
they still hired conservatively. of all the firms i interviewed with, only one mentioned that they were increasing their class size, and that was only by 5 students. hardly a return to pre-recession numbers. still, i think the safest bet is to stop worrying so much about things you can't really control (i.e., the economy tanking) and more over those that you can, like doing the best work you can during the SA and not giving them any reasons to no-offer you.Anonymous User wrote:Capital Market deal volume is down 30% from last quarter or even compared with 2010 Q3. M&A isn't doing that well either.
Investment banks are going to go on a firing spree. (As you can tell from Ibanks that filed with NY State re: firing plan pursuant to the NY law).
Law firms generally hired more summers this year than last year. So...?
http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTA ... rclasssizeAnonymous User wrote:they still hired conservatively. of all the firms i interviewed with, only one mentioned that they were increasing their class size, and that was only by 5 students. hardly a return to pre-recession numbers. still, i think the safest bet is to stop worrying so much about things you can't really control (i.e., the economy tanking) and more over those that you can, like doing the best work you can during the SA and not giving them any reasons to no-offer you.Anonymous User wrote:Capital Market deal volume is down 30% from last quarter or even compared with 2010 Q3. M&A isn't doing that well either.
Investment banks are going to go on a firing spree. (As you can tell from Ibanks that filed with NY State re: firing plan pursuant to the NY law).
Law firms generally hired more summers this year than last year. So...?
0L here. Shooting for biglaw. Could you be a little more specific about what they did to warrant no-offers? Are we talking repeated work product errors? Social faux-paus at a company function? Was it ultimately a product of laziness or sloppiness?A&B was able to point to very tangible things to warrant the no-offers (at least the 2 in ATL).
Both had tangible work product errors that could have been avoided. I don't want to say more than that. But moral of the story: if your firm lets you choose what projects you work on, don't bite off more than you can chew. If you do find yourself in a jam, TALK to somebody about it. It's easier to fix the problem on the front end than to explain poor work product on the back end. Your partner mentor (at least at A&B) is there to guide you through the summer and help iron out these kinds of problems in a way that won't be harmful to you. Additionally, ASK for feedback. If it's been 2 weeks since you turned in a project, contact the assigning attorney. At A&B, they are required to give feedback. Many of the summers last year corrected their mistakes and submitted two versions of every memo to recruiting to be added to their file. That way, the hiring committee was able to see their ability to respond to feedback as well.minnesotamike wrote:0L here. Shooting for biglaw. Could you be a little more specific about what they did to warrant no-offers? Are we talking repeated work product errors? Social faux-paus at a company function? Was it ultimately a product of laziness or sloppiness?A&B was able to point to very tangible things to warrant the no-offers (at least the 2 in ATL).