KamaalTheAbstract wrote:what I'm saying is not lawyers have no skills.
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KamaalTheAbstract wrote:what I'm saying is not lawyers have no skills.
bk1 wrote:KamaalTheAbstract wrote:what I'm saying is not lawyers have no skills.
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KamaalTheAbstract wrote:Renzo wrote:KamaalTheAbstract wrote:Dude shut up. You talk too much for someone who In reality knows nothing. I think I'll be able to get through my years at my law firm without ever being in the situation to ask what the definition of is is. I'm sure you on the other hand will be arguing cases in front of the supreme court.
You're right. No one is going to ask you what the definition of 'is' is. In fact, people probably won't be asking you for much input during your years at a law firm, since you aspire to exactly as good at being a lawyer as your secretary would be if he or she had to fill in for you for the day.
I'm not going to derail the thread. So I'll wrap up with this: what I'm saying is not lawyers have no skills. I just believe my sister who is a doctor would have no problem swapping places with and she would end up as being just a good a lawyer. All of these skills you speak, in my opinion are cultivated and learned. I think anyone if reasonable intelligence, and by reasonable intelligence I mean people who are successful in their own careers (banking,consultants, doctors, engineers) would be successful at a lawfirm as well. Not trying to say everyone is useless at a law firm.
YourCaptain wrote:KamaalTheAbstract wrote:Renzo wrote:KamaalTheAbstract wrote:Dude shut up. You talk too much for someone who In reality knows nothing. I think I'll be able to get through my years at my law firm without ever being in the situation to ask what the definition of is is. I'm sure you on the other hand will be arguing cases in front of the supreme court.
You're right. No one is going to ask you what the definition of 'is' is. In fact, people probably won't be asking you for much input during your years at a law firm, since you aspire to exactly as good at being a lawyer as your secretary would be if he or she had to fill in for you for the day.
I'm not going to derail the thread. So I'll wrap up with this: what I'm saying is not lawyers have no skills. I just believe my sister who is a doctor would have no problem swapping places with and she would end up as being just a good a lawyer. All of these skills you speak, in my opinion are cultivated and learned. I think anyone if reasonable intelligence, and by reasonable intelligence I mean people who are successful in their own careers (banking,consultants, doctors, engineers) would be successful at a lawfirm as well. Not trying to say everyone is useless at a law firm.
I am one of the last people to defend the legal profession but this is simply untrue.
kublaikahn wrote:YourCaptain wrote:KamaalTheAbstract wrote:I'm not going to derail the thread. So I'll wrap up with this: what I'm saying is not lawyers have no skills. I just believe my sister who is a doctor would have no problem swapping places with and she would end up as being just a good a lawyer. All of these skills you speak, in my opinion are cultivated and learned. I think anyone if reasonable intelligence, and by reasonable intelligence I mean people who are successful in their own careers (banking,consultants, doctors, engineers) would be successful at a lawfirm as well. Not trying to say everyone is useless at a law firm.
I am one of the last people to defend the legal profession but this is simply untrue.
You know this guys sister?
KamaalTheAbstract wrote:I just don't know what kind of SA experiences you guys have that you think a med student could do that work. Im a joint degree student and I SAd for two summers and have done nothing to this date that my sister that went to Penn med couldn't do. Obviously I don't think you could throw her in at the level of 3rd year associate but I don't think any of us could do that
kublaikahn wrote:You know this guys sister?
bk1 wrote:KamaalTheAbstract wrote:I just don't know what kind of SA experiences you guys have that you think a med student could do that work. Im a joint degree student and I SAd for two summers and have done nothing to this date that my sister that went to Penn med couldn't do. Obviously I don't think you could throw her in at the level of 3rd year associate but I don't think any of us could do that
You seem to have a hard on for your sister. Might want to have that checked out.
rayiner wrote:Julio_El_Chavo wrote:rayiner wrote:I'm the first one to point out the inherent risks of law school, but the two are not fungible at all. Being a doctor and being a lawyer are two completely different jobs. The set of skills needed to do well in each profession have almost no intersection between them.
There's no intersection because there are no skills needed to do well in the legal profession.
This is a pat answer, but it's not really true. Parsing statutory language or a contract to see what a corporate client is and is not allowed to do requires a certain logical/analytical skill. Arguing a point based on examples or case law requires a certain analytical and persuasive skill. Writing well and clearly requires skill. Negotiating requires skill. This is the bread and butter of what lawyers do.
bk1 wrote:KamaalTheAbstract wrote:I just don't know what kind of SA experiences you guys have that you think a med student could do that work. Im a joint degree student and I SAd for two summers and have done nothing to this date that my sister that went to Penn med couldn't do. Obviously I don't think you could throw her in at the level of 3rd year associate but I don't think any of us could do that
You seem to have a hard on for your sister. Might want to have that checked out.
KamaalTheAbstract wrote:bk1 wrote:KamaalTheAbstract wrote:I just don't know what kind of SA experiences you guys have that you think a med student could do that work. Im a joint degree student and I SAd for two summers and have done nothing to this date that my sister that went to Penn med couldn't do. Obviously I don't think you could throw her in at the level of 3rd year associate but I don't think any of us could do that
You seem to have a hard on for your sister. Might want to have that checked out.
And dude you might want to get out more. 13,000 plus posts and you're not even in law school yet. This website must be like your second life. Just sitting on TLS waiting to pounce on typos and get into anonymous internet beef.
Julio_El_Chavo wrote:rayiner wrote:Julio_El_Chavo wrote:rayiner wrote:I'm the first one to point out the inherent risks of law school, but the two are not fungible at all. Being a doctor and being a lawyer are two completely different jobs. The set of skills needed to do well in each profession have almost no intersection between them.
There's no intersection because there are no skills needed to do well in the legal profession.
This is a pat answer, but it's not really true. Parsing statutory language or a contract to see what a corporate client is and is not allowed to do requires a certain logical/analytical skill. Arguing a point based on examples or case law requires a certain analytical and persuasive skill. Writing well and clearly requires skill. Negotiating requires skill. This is the bread and butter of what lawyers do.
These are skills needed in almost every high paying job, including medical jobs. You don't think doctors have to think analytically or logically? Understanding chemistry, biology, and anatomy requires reading comprehension. Bringing yourself up to speed on the latest treatments requires parsing medical studies. Etc.
Anonymous User wrote:What is most prestigious: Going to a good medical school or top 14 law school?
Anonymous User wrote:Lay prestige from a top-14 graduate with a big firm job v. a medical school graduate from a good school with a good job.
kublaikahn wrote:Anonymous User wrote:Lay prestige from a top-14 graduate with a big firm job v. a medical school graduate from a good school with a good job.
What do they call the dude that graduated last in his class in medical school?
Renzo wrote:1) there are several very different types of analytic thinking. It's not all fungible. One of the things you learn in medical school is "think like a doctor." They call it clinical decisonmaking; and, like legal analysis, it's an important skill that takes considerable work to master.
KamaalTheAbstract wrote:Dude shut up. You talk too much for someone who In reality knows nothing. I think I'll be able to get through my years at my law firm without ever being in the situation to ask what the definition of is is. I'm sure you on the other hand will be arguing cases in front of the supreme court.
Julio_El_Chavo wrote:Renzo wrote:1) there are several very different types of analytic thinking. It's not all fungible. One of the things you learn in medical school is "think like a doctor." They call it clinical decisonmaking; and, like legal analysis, it's an important skill that takes considerable work to master.
I still say there are striking similarities between diagnosing potential legal issues and diagnosing potential health problems. There are reasoning skills common to both professions. The fact of the matter is that med schools are better at limiting enrollment and therefore it's harder to get into medical school. By implication, medical students are smarter than most law students. I realize that you're going to be a lawyer and you want to feel special, but what the vast majority of lawyers do is not difficult. Not everyone is penning exquisite prose in court opinions or writing scholarly articles. Most attorney are doing rote tasks that are extremely repetitive, boring, and low-wattage.
Anonymous User wrote:one thing i dont understand is that if students from top law schools are having trouble finding employment, how does ANYONE from a TT etc get any kind of employment?
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