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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:55 pm

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This is the poster above this one, lol. Used to there were clerk positions for 1 or 2 years. They have been moving out the 1-year clerkships and making them all two years with half coming available each year. That is why there were more positions in previous years. If I remember correctly, as of this year they have completely phased out the 1-year positions. That accounts for some of the number change from past years. It would definitely make sense that if there are 9 judges there would be more than one clerk. I work at a court with 3 judges and one AA, and we are currently docketing cases for 2015. If they do cut it down to one AA per court, that would suck really bad. I would almost be worried about IJ retention rates if that happens.


It would completely suck, but again, the issue is money, not functionality. If you look at the other DOJ departments, they are getting only two or three Honors attorneys a piece and I'm sure they could really use the extra people, too. But, my assumption could very well be based on faulty information, and I hope it is. I'm just saying that it's a possibility, but the only way to find out for sure, would be to ask an ARC (and even then, we might not get the info).

If there's anything positive to take from the hiring situation this year is that when budgets do increase and freezes lift, there will be a TON of hiring done at the DOJ. You're right, the cuts in hiring are devastating to these departments, so hopefully there'll be a time when hiring picks back up drastically and we can all benefit from it.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:My three pieces of advice:
1) From talking with other AAs in my hiring class, there were at least three distinct rounds of hiring. Don't lose hope until you actually get that rejection.
2) With #1 in mind, stop checking Avue and this topic. It will only stress you out and you will gather no useful information from doing it (except in this post :D ).
3) If you get an offer, take it. Even if it's for some detained court in bumfuck nowhere, the job is great, and former AAs typically appear to end up in some choice jobs after they've finished their two-year stint.

Good luck!


#1 and #2 are credited. We're all just driving one another nuts right now. However, I'm interested in your #3 point. I have a handful of AA friends in their final year of the clerkship who are struggling to find employment right now due to the government hiring freezes. Are you not seeing the same impact?

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:18 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:My three pieces of advice:
1) From talking with other AAs in my hiring class, there were at least three distinct rounds of hiring. Don't lose hope until you actually get that rejection.
2) With #1 in mind, stop checking Avue and this topic. It will only stress you out and you will gather no useful information from doing it (except in this post :D ).
3) If you get an offer, take it. Even if it's for some detained court in bumfuck nowhere, the job is great, and former AAs typically appear to end up in some choice jobs after they've finished their two-year stint.

Good luck!


#1 and #2 are credited. We're all just driving one another nuts right now. However, I'm interested in your #3 point. I have a handful of AA friends in their final year of the clerkship who are struggling to find employment right now due to the government hiring freezes. Are you not seeing the same impact?


Same poster. I'll modify that to "choice immigration jobs." ICE isn't under a freeze, and neither is EOIR. If you want to be a TA, BIA staff attorney, OGC, etc., they're still hiring as much as they ever have (which isn't much in the case of some such jobs, but they're not frozen), and there are plenty of immigration/PI firms that would love to have someone who isn't altogether incompetent in immigration law (although most don't really want to actually pay for it).

People who signed up in the hope that this would allow them to get in the federal government door so they could transfer over into some non-immigration job with Interior or BOP or something are probably facing a tougher situation because of the freezes, however. Also, I believe that this is still pretty early. As I understand it, the jobs that hire AAs (at least as has been the case for most of my AA friends from the last few cycles) start hiring two or three months out, not 10.5 months out.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:27 pm

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:13 pm

Out of desperation, I'm starting to regret not checking the box that I would work anywhere other than my top 5 choices. Anyone know if it's possible to call them up and tell them I'm willing to work anywhere now?

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:16 pm

This thread is getting progressively more depressing. I almost hope someone from EOIR sees it and puts us out of our misery soon.

Also, I'm still shocked that there hasn't been one report of an EOIR offer in here.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:01 am

Has anyone heard about antitrust? I'd be surprised if their offers haven't gone out since they selected finalists before most of the other components.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:09 am

Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone heard about antitrust? I'd be surprised if their offers haven't gone out since they selected finalists before most of the other components.

I know of one offer

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:16 am

do you know when the antitrust offer went out?
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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:22 am

At latest last week, possibly earlier

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:24 am

Anonymous User wrote:Last week at latest, possibly earlier


good to know. I thought my interview went terrible, so I was blown away I was a finalist.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:26 am

Anonymous User wrote:good to know. I thought my interview went terrible, so I was blown away I was a finalist.

Well, it ain't over 'til it's over -- good luck.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:53 am

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:31 pm

Out of curiosity: are any non-immigration offers going to people who didn't clerk, or is a clerkship becoming a prerequisite?

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:30 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Out of curiosity: are any non-immigration offers going to people who didn't clerk, or is a clerkship becoming a prerequisite?


I'm wondering that, too, and sort of kicking myself for not applying to clerkships now. I know it didn't used to be a prereq, but with the cuts this year, I bet a lot of offers are going to clerks.

Edit: I didn't realize you were talking about non-immigration offers. I think it was already a prereq for most divisions and definitely one now.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:56 am

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Edit: I didn't realize you were talking about non-immigration offers. I think it was already a prereq for most divisions and definitely one now.



I only excluded immigration because I don't know anything about the immigration components (other than EOIR posts I see on here)

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby anonymous2705 » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:44 pm

Any news out there, EOIR folks? I find it hard to believe that with at least nine finalists on this blog, all who seem fairly well connected, no one has at least heard of offers going out. I'm fairly well connected to my local court and know that they haven't received any word about offers being made either.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:14 pm

Absolutely nothing here for another well connected finalist.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:22 pm

anonymous2705 wrote:Any news out there, EOIR folks? I find it hard to believe that with at least nine finalists on this blog, all who seem fairly well connected, no one has at least heard of offers going out. I'm fairly well connected to my local court and know that they haven't received any word about offers being made either.


PM'd you.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:08 pm

Does the PM mean that you heard something? [quote][/quote]

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does the PM mean that you heard something?


Lol...no, sorry..it means I was just commiserating with someone who I was actually able to PM, since they have a username

I, and everyone else should, promise that I will post here if I do hear something.

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:29 pm

I hate this threat :|

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 29, 2011 11:38 am

To the EOIR AA (and to others who may offer some advice),

What are the jobs prospects for people coming out of the EOIR clerkships who may be interested in non-Immigration legal work?

Does anyone know anybody who had made the successfull transition from EOIR to non-Immigration work? If so, what was the transition like?

Thoughts?

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:To the EOIR AA (and to others who may offer some advice),

What are the jobs prospects for people coming out of the EOIR clerkships who may be interested in non-Immigration legal work?

Does anyone know anybody who had made the successfull transition from EOIR to non-Immigration work? If so, what was the transition like?

Thoughts?


Does that mean you have an offer, lol?

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Re: DOJ Honors

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:26 pm

Any EOIR people still alive out there? (Sorry for bumping this without an update)




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