RVP11 wrote: RVP11 wrote:
meshtdagn wrote:Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Even if zhe *hates* it, it's the right decision. You might hate playing for the Patriots, but you don't take the Chiefs practice squad over them.
That is idiotic. Cravath =/= Patriots, hometown BigLaw =/= Chiefs practice squad.
If your 10 year plan is to be a top practitioner in Secondary Market, going to NYC BigLaw over Top Firm in Secondary Market is a horrible, horrible decision.
Just wanted to add: it's an especially horrible decision when you love the Secondary Market Firm and hate the NYC BigLaw firm.
But if OP loved Cravath but hated his hometown firm, I would counsel the other way.
I would also agree that if this Top Firm in Secondary Market has less than exemplary offer rate over the last few summers, then OP should take the hit and go to Cravath.
RVP, you are speaking mad truth up in here.
Some people (SHOCKING I NO!) actually don't want to be in NYC or DC. I know for many of you who are so NYC/east coast-centric, this may rock the very foundation of your existence. But for a lot of us in "flyover country," the idea of being close to family, having a short commute, spending time with kids, not paying thousands a month in rent, living in a manageable city, not dealing with the crowds, etc. are pretty goddamn appealing. The secondary market biglaw = Chiefs practice squad analogy is absolutely ridiculous, and borderline insulting. Sure, going to Cravath offers opportunities that the secondary market will not, but the door swings both ways. Secondary markets bring a lot to the table that NYC does not.
OP is not interested in NYC or the Cravath lifestyle. He wants to be a top dog in a smaller market. Happiness should definitely count for something, and OP would be far happier at this secondary market firm. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, and going to Cravath may actually be a barrier to that goal in the long run.
Anonymous User wrote:It's one thing to turn down Cravath for another V5. It's another to turn them down for a firm that barely pays six figures.
This is stupid too. Six figures with little debt in a secondary market will take you a hell of a lot farther than 160k in NYC. OP will be very comfortable on a 105k salary with little debt.
itbdvorm wrote:This. Again - you will be by the end of your third year at Cravath (or another comparable firm) a better corporate lawyer than you would be at the end of your third year at your hometown firm. You just will. The training, opportunities, experience, etc. are just going to be at a higher level. And because of that, in the LONG term, your opportunities in your home town will be better.
If by better opportunities, you mean greater chance of making partner...no. Just no.
If you want to make partner at a secondary market firm, it's best to get there ASAP and start building connections.
This too. So many of you are overvaluing the Cravath name in secondary markets. Some partners around here might care, but a lot of them simply won't give a shit. Your odds of making partner will be far, far higher if you summer at the firm, make connections with clients/attorneys in your firm over a few years, and have some mentors within the firm who will go to bat for you than they would be if you lateraled from Cravath.
There are some variables that could change things (the corporate interest may be one, offer rates are another). But all things being equal, I think you should go with your gut OP and go to the smaller firm.