DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

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DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby harocutter » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:01 am

I'm interested in working for the DOJ, capital case unit would be a dream, but I'm unsure of what their hiring criteria is based on. I have read a few topics on here pertaining to the DOJ honors program and hiring processes. From what I can deduce school ranking is not a "critical factor", but still considered. So my question is, how important is law school ranking in DOJ intern/job considerations. Does anyone know if the DOJ hires from, or gives honors internship offers to Teir 3 law students from schools like Southwestern or Chapman? Also, any other information you could provide regarding the DOJ honors program or hiring process would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby npe » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:04 am

Just FYI, my understanding of the CCU is that it's staffed by experienced attorneys. I doubt you can get in there through Honors. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby harocutter » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:09 am

I'm not sure, I know they offer internships there so....... Any info regarding my T3 question?

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:09 am

What is your class rank?

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby harocutter » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:12 am

Top 10% at Southwestern 1L.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:19 am

Honestly, your chances are probably incredibly low.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby MrPapagiorgio » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:32 am

Anonymous User wrote:Honestly, your chances are probably incredibly low.

Was wondering how long it would take for someone to say the obvious truff

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby harocutter » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:42 am

Any justification of why my chances are low? Does the DOJ not hire from T3?

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:46 am

harocutter wrote:Any justification of why my chances are low? Does the DOJ not hire from T3?


If they did hire from a T3 they'd hire the top of the class before you. There are kids in the top 5% at T10 schools who apply to the DOJ and get shut out.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby harocutter » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:48 am

DOJ is listed on Southwesten/Chapman, and other Tier 3 schools as past and current employer.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby leobowski » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:53 am

Even if you're top 5%+LR, you can't give a realistic estimate of DOJ chances. Don't plan on it. Period.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby harocutter » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:59 am

So DOJ is based more on a case to case basis? Anyone know if DOJ hires from southwestern or how to look that info up?

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:00 am

harocutter wrote:DOJ is listed on Southwesten/Chapman, and other Tier 3 schools as past and current employer.


Hiring was different then. Feel free to apply, but you are screwed.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby harocutter » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:05 am

What about internship program?

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby UCLAtransfer » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:14 am

You may be able to get an internship there, since they hire more widely, but it is pretty unlikely that you will be able to get a DOJ Honors gig, which are the ones that lead to full time (paid) employment post graduation.

From my understanding of the process and based on what I have seen personally, DOJ Honors requires: (1) solid but not necessarily incredible grades from a top school; (2) top of the class type grades from a lower ranked school and some type of work experience that sets you apart and makes you particularly competitive for a certain division within DOJ; or (3) being a volunteer (SLIP) intern and really wowing someone with clout in the eventual hiring of entry-level attorneys.

Obviously there is no strict formula and anything can happen, but unfortunately your chances of getting an entry-level DOJ job from a TTT school are probably not great. The problem with relying on your school listing DOJ as a former/current employer is that all it takes is one person in the school's history getting a job their either through the Honors program or even later on in their career. It doesn't necessarily mean anything for your chances.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby harocutter » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:25 am

First of all, thank you for you informative response UCLAtransfer. I was planning on doing option 3) the SLIP program. I'm hoping to do SLIP after 1L and 2L, so that way I can have as much exp. as possible while also showing interest int he department. What do you think, is SLIP hard to get into after 1L?

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby YourCaptain » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:18 am

the #1 kid has a *chance*...I'm not sure anyone else there does

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby drmguy » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:06 am

harocutter wrote:First of all, thank you for you informative response UCLAtransfer. I was planning on doing option 3) the SLIP program. I'm hoping to do SLIP after 1L and 2L, so that way I can have as much exp. as possible while also showing interest int he department. What do you think, is SLIP hard to get into after 1L?


Ruh-roh...that's weird that you have plans on doing something after 1L yet you are top 10% at the beginning of a school year.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby npe » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:10 am

drmguy wrote:
harocutter wrote:First of all, thank you for you informative response UCLAtransfer. I was planning on doing option 3) the SLIP program. I'm hoping to do SLIP after 1L and 2L, so that way I can have as much exp. as possible while also showing interest int he department. What do you think, is SLIP hard to get into after 1L?


Ruh-roh...that's weird that you have plans on doing something after 1L yet you are top 10% at the beginning of a school year.

*high-fives*

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby keg411 » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:40 am

drmguy wrote:
harocutter wrote:First of all, thank you for you informative response UCLAtransfer. I was planning on doing option 3) the SLIP program. I'm hoping to do SLIP after 1L and 2L, so that way I can have as much exp. as possible while also showing interest int he department. What do you think, is SLIP hard to get into after 1L?


Ruh-roh...that's weird that you have plans on doing something after 1L yet you are top 10% at the beginning of a school year.


You can't do SLIP after 1L; it's a 2L summer gig. And the application process is over (at least for this summer).

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby drmguy » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:15 am

keg411 wrote:
drmguy wrote:
harocutter wrote:First of all, thank you for you informative response UCLAtransfer. I was planning on doing option 3) the SLIP program. I'm hoping to do SLIP after 1L and 2L, so that way I can have as much exp. as possible while also showing interest int he department. What do you think, is SLIP hard to get into after 1L?


Ruh-roh...that's weird that you have plans on doing something after 1L yet you are top 10% at the beginning of a school year.


You can't do SLIP after 1L; it's a 2L summer gig. And the application process is over (at least for this summer).


Just make an honest thread and you will get honest results.

Should I go to Southwestern or Chapman planning on either transferring to T10 or graduating #1.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby npe » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:39 am

Also not sure that OP even knows what the CCU does...

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby romothesavior » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:56 am

harocutter wrote:Top 10% at Southwestern 1L.

Are you saying you are a 1L at Southwestern, and you just *plan* on being top 10%? Based on what? Your excellent pre-law school credentials, which landed you at Chapman? Don't put the cart before the horse, chief.

harocutter wrote:Any justification of why my chances are low?

And do you really have to ask? You go to a sub-par school, and you are asking about a job that is hyper-competitive. There are people with great grades at great schools who get turned down by the DOJ every year.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby MC Southstar » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:02 am

If you are #1 in your class and have a gigantic penis perhaps you have a slim chance.

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Re: DOJ hire from Tier 3, Southwestern/Chapman?

Postby YourCaptain » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:05 am

check his posting history; kid with a 2.8/164 knows he would be top 25% at Pepperdine/LoyolaLA, so because SW/Chapman are Tier 3s he knows he'll be top 10%.

get real, you're going to incur a lot of nondischargeable debt and graduate with no job and a "classical guitar" major. Not being mean, just being straight with you




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