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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:26 pm

@GTL

Add another success to parlay calls. Parlayed an interview, and now an offer from a dream judge. Muchos gracias.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:00 am

Offer in C.D. Cal.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:02 am

Mind telling us which judge in C.D. Cal? I'm waiting to hear back from a couple there...and was it on-the-spot or after a few days?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:04 am

It was after the judge finished two days of interviews (Thurs/Fri). It's in Orange County. Would rather not give a specific judge until I can speak with the judge and finalize everything.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:07 am

Well, either way, my congratulations to you. C.D. Cal. is probably my first choice district, so I'm really hoping I hear some good news next week...

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:09 am

Good luck.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:18 am

Congrats to everyone who has already received offers. Should we start posting judges who hired and schools?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:26 am

2 things:

I saw a judge today who began their interviews on Friday, because they were at a panel on Thursday. They conducted two lengthy interviews, one of myself, one of someone else. Decisions will be made, the judge said, by the end of the weekend. Do I assume three spots have been filled off-plan and that it's just between me and that person for the fourth? Or is it probable that others are coming in on the weekend? If the former, what do I make of the fact that their offers stay open for about a week... what would they do if the offeree said no and the other had been snatched up - interview people they hadn't yet?

As to the filled list someone posted, you need to get smarter - by filtering OSCAR by date modified, you can see how many of those are new. Very few are, and of the few that are, few are new news (see Easterbrook suddenly announcing to a not-so-shocked world that he's filled). The only ones that come as news to me, on the COA level, are Hardiman, Loken, Diana Murphy, and Allyson Duncan. No one updates OSCAR and not everyone's honest. Sutton fills things months in advance and takes OSCAR apps anyway just to appear to be on the up-and-up.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:52 am

Congrats to those with offers. I officially struck out (0/3). Oh well, I was playing with house money.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:08 am

Sorry to hear that. I'm crossing my fingers that I can get something with just 2 interviews. Any speculation as to what happened? Poor interviews or just too much competition?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Citizen Genet » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:46 am

Anonymous User wrote:It was after the judge finished two days of interviews (Thurs/Fri). It's in Orange County. Would rather not give a specific judge until I can speak with the judge and finalize everything.


Anon: Can you PM me? 2L who will be applying next year and wanted to get your insights.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:13 pm

It truly is a cazy process. I had 6 CoA interviews and 1 flyover district interview, will be clerking at the district level (major city but not NYC, DC, Chi, LA or SF). I'll be applying as an alum for a Circuit clerkship, but I've learned to apply broadly because even getting lots of great interviews doesn't transte into clerkships.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:06 pm

So you went 0/6 in COA interviews? I was told that the most interviews anyone got at my school, Georgetown, was 6.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby peter2009 » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:53 pm

Anybody interview with Judge Walsh in DE Bankruptcy?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 2:05 pm

peter2009 wrote:Anybody interview with Judge Walsh in DE Bankruptcy?



or any DE district court judges?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:14 pm

Has anyone heard from Eastern District of Mich judges??

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:05 pm

So I've officially been rejected from two COAs....waiting on one District Ct....and have one more interview next week.

I'd like to thank the anonymous poster who used the "house money" reference for massively cheering me up with that analogy and making me laugh despite how crappy I feel. :D

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:07 pm

Anonymous User wrote:So you went 0/6 in COA interviews? I was told that the most interviews anyone got at my school, Georgetown, was 6.


Two were off-plan, and one got cancelled because slots filled. So I was 0/5 total, 0/3 on-plan. Thought the interviews went reasonably well, but struck out with CoA nonetheless. I'll likely try again, and hopefully have better luck considering I have a D.Ct. lined up. Unfortunately, that means not completely slacking off as a 3L.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:20 pm

Speaking of which, suppose you end up in a district and want to go to COA, or want to apply to SCOTUS from COA, or want to apply to a district from COA, or D.C. Cir. from COA. Whatever the case, what kind of 3L grades do you need to have - is some amount of drop-off understood? I gave myself a very tough 3L schedule... and wanted to try to publish some articles once I got a clerkship. On top of being on ed board with my journal.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:34 pm

G. T. L. Rev. wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Speaking of which, suppose you end up in a district and want to go to COA, or want to apply to SCOTUS from COA, or want to apply to a district from COA, or D.C. Cir. from COA. Whatever the case, what kind of 3L grades do you need to have - is some amount of drop-off understood? I gave myself a very tough 3L schedule... and wanted to try to publish some articles once I got a clerkship. On top of being on ed board with my journal.

Drop off? Does not compute. Almost every clerkship app I have ever seen has featured stronger grades 3L year than 1L or 2L years. This is mostly a function of people taking smaller, often uncurved classes that year.


Somewhat relatedly, if we're tying to go D.Ct->CoA or CoA to another CoA, when does the application cycle generally happen? Spring? Over the summer? Now?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:06 pm

I don't know that uncurved is a good thing. Inevitably I'll write one of the best exams in a class, even if it's not actually a good exam, but if everything's an uncurved essay-war, I could easily drop an A- somewhere. I do have some room to drop off, being in the very top of the class, but I just have a ton of potentially difficult seminars and classes going on.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:16 pm

Inevitably I'll write one of the best exams in a class...


We can all see how conceited this comes off. Speaking from a lot of experience, take extra care you don't even come REMOTELY CLOSE to this tone in interviews (assuming you get any). I've found interviewers' arrogance meters are particularly sensitive during clerkship interviews.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:31 pm

Yes, I got 5. And you know, I think I almost did hit that note yesterday, unfortunately [redacted in case the judge I saw is a reader of TLS].
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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:53 pm

Ah well, unfortunately I'm constitutionally incapable of masking certain aspects of my personality. Large parts I do a great job at hiding, but arrogance, no way. Even my recommenders think I'm full of myself. I don't know; past a certain point of disingenuous humility I just don't care enough about clerking or legal employment generally (or employment period), I guess, to change, or to want to work somewhere where I'd have to sublimate my arrogance. It's a matter of my priorities, not of a mistaken understanding of what works and what doesn't.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Big Shrimpin » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:59 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Ah well, unfortunately I'm constitutionally incapable of masking certain aspects of my personality. Large parts I do a great job at hiding, but arrogance, no way. Even my recommenders think I'm full of myself. I don't know; past a certain point of disingenuous humility I just don't care enough about clerking or legal employment generally (or employment period), I guess, to change, or to want to work somewhere where I'd have to sublimate my arrogance. It's a matter of my priorities, not of a mistaken understanding of what works and what doesn't.


Just do POTUS, bro.




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