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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:39 pm

Anonymous User wrote:COA call just a couple of minutes ago. I don't think all calls are done.


Mind providing judge or, at least, circuit? Thanks!

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:39 pm

Can someone post the list of judges that Yale or Harvard have heard from? That'll tell us where things stand.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:46 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:COA call just a couple of minutes ago. I don't think all calls are done.


Mind providing judge or, at least, circuit? Thanks!


Third.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:21 pm

Could u share the judge? I have a third circuit interview coming up and now I'm curious what this means if its the same judge.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:34 pm

Thoughts on parlaying a state supreme court?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:02 pm

GTL:

Protocol question- if you accept offer at first interview of the day- do you call the other scheduled judges right away to cancel?

Does the juggling of offers prompt a second round of calls by the judges who lose candidates to "more desireable" judges?

Is it ever OK to "unaccept" an offer if your dream judge calls you later?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby leobowski » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:GTL:

Protocol question- if you accept offer at first interview of the day- do you call the other scheduled judges right away to cancel?

Does the juggling of offers prompt a second round of calls by the judges who lose candidates to "more desireable" judges?

Is it ever OK to "unaccept" an offer if your dream judge calls you later?



I'm not a clerk, but you cannot unaccept an offer.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby traydeuce » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:21 pm

I've heard of unacceptances happening.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:01 pm

You probably CAN retract acceptances, but you should not. Its just the game, and sometimes you win the game, and sometimes you lose the game.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby traydeuce » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:You probably CAN retract acceptances, but you should not. Its just the game, and sometimes you win the game, and sometimes you lose the game.


Oh, no question. Actually, I don't know if the stigma chases you around your whole career. Could be a problem when practicing in that circuit, if you ever do. But there's definitely a sense out there that it's a terrible thing to do.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby treant985 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:24 pm

You can probably unaccept, but you'd do so at the risk of that judge telling everyone he/she can about you. And it would probably screw over future applicants from your school who apply to that judge.

A judge won't revoke an offer just because someone they like more comes along.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby treant985 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:49 pm

treant985 wrote:You can probably unaccept, but you'd do so at the risk of that judge telling everyone he/she can about you. And it would probably screw over future applicants from your school who apply to that judge.

A judge won't revoke an offer just because someone they like more comes along.


...and by "probably unaccept" I just mean that obviously the judge can't make you come work for her. Most judges I know, even the nice ones, would be furious if you unaccepted (without a life-alteringly good reason).

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 6:53 pm

When I was in law school a while back, there were two urban legends involving "unacceptances." The first was when a new SCOTUS Justice picked off a soon-to-be clerk for a prominent feeder judge the day before the clerkship started. The second was when an incoming academic track COA-SCOTUS soon-to-be clerk got a straight-out-of-law-school academic job, so rather than waste his time clerking, he bailed on the two clerkships.

Not sure if those actually happened, though.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby fonseca33 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:26 pm

Just want to emphasize that the parlay calls actually work. I made a few today and scheduled another interview. And they are not universally as uncomfortable as you expect them to be -- all the clerks I talked to were very sweet.

So, if you are on the fence, grow a pair and do it!

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:34 pm

fonseca33 wrote:Just want to emphasize that the parlay calls actually work. I made a few today and scheduled another interview. And they are not universally as uncomfortable as you expect them to be -- all the clerks I talked to were very sweet.

So, if you are on the fence, grow a pair and do it!


What do you think about calling a district judge in the same district where you have two interviews, but sits in a different city? The cities are 45 minutes apart and one of the judges that I'm interviewing with is only interviewing in the first city for convenience sake (45 minutes closer to my school).

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby leobowski » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:00 pm

GTL: Is it too late now to have a former employer (that is friends with the judge) make a call?

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby nleefer » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:06 pm

fonseca33 wrote:Just want to emphasize that the parlay calls actually work. I made a few today and scheduled another interview. And they are not universally as uncomfortable as you expect them to be -- all the clerks I talked to were very sweet.

So, if you are on the fence, grow a pair and do it!


Same experience here. Made a bunch of calls Friday and heard back with another interview today.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby treant985 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:26 pm

G. T. L. Rev. wrote:Seriously, if people have not yet made these calls, they are crazy. Do so tomorrow morning if you haven't yet. The cost/benefit ratio is unreal.



I wish my school had someone like GTL working there, helping with clerkship stuff. Some schools have a war machine to get clerkships....mine seemed to have a slingshot.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:37 pm

treant985 wrote:
G. T. L. Rev. wrote:Seriously, if people have not yet made these calls, they are crazy. Do so tomorrow morning if you haven't yet. The cost/benefit ratio is unreal.



I wish my school had someone like GTL working there, helping with clerkship stuff. Some schools have a war machine to get clerkships....mine seemed to have a slingshot.


Mine has to be worse - more like a paper-wad shooter

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:47 pm

Received an e-mail today around 5 PM in the afternoon (east coast time) to schedule an interview with a district judge in a major city. Called every other judge in the district immediately thereafter to see if I could parlay for more interviews (lots of voicemails left and indications that the judges would get back to me). And this was after hearing nothing all Friday. So there is hope after all!

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby traydeuce » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:19 pm

My parlaying didn't get me anything (so far?) but it went very pleasantly.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:26 pm

I got laughed at by a circuit court chambers when I asked if the Judge had even a little while to meet with me. I am flying across country too.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby treant985 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I got laughed at by a circuit court chambers when I asked if the Judge had even a little while to meet with me. I am flying across country too.


Last yr I called about 4 circuit judges in the city I was interviewing. All calls were somewhat awkward. In each case, the person who answered the phone was used to parlay calls. Some were very nice, some were very frosty. But worth it to try. Not like they can 're-reject' me for calling and asking.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:44 pm

For the person asking about 11th, Hull hires VERY late. Like Christmas late.

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Re: On Plan Clerkships 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Sep 12, 2011 11:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:For the person asking about 11th, Hull hires VERY late. Like Christmas late.


To be honest, I'm not so sure I could work for a judge who signed that healthcare opinion. Not so much the result, which one could reasonably, I suppose, arrive at, but the reasoning, which was kind of a tortured mess. I'm having similar problems with one of the judges I'm interviewing with, although the opinion that's troubling me there isn't quite as bad - but bad enough that when I saw it I and everyone else I know who read it was pretty livid. Generally though, he's a thoughtful judge and he may have just missed the ball in that case.




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