Anonymous User wrote:anon168 wrote:Anonymous User wrote:anon168 wrote:No one, certainly not me, is disputing that Susman Godfrey is a great firm, but to believe that young associates there will be taking cases to trial on a routine basis, or running billion dollar matters day-in and day-out (and, really, how many billion dollar cases are there in the entire legal industry?) is just pure mental Jell-O.
No one ever said that associates are running billion dollar cases. That example was used to show Susman isn't a "glorified slip and fall" firm. That being said, Susman (and Gibbs and Keker and all the rest) definitely offer way more opportunities for young associates. It's amazing that this is even an argument. If you actually knew attorneys at top-level lit boutiques or worked at one you would know that. That's one of the main reasons top students go to boutiques.
Also, the attorneys at these firms average about a trial a year. That's just a fact.
A trial a year? These attorneys average a trial a year?? That's a fact, you say?
Lets suss out that fact for a minute.
Lets take Susman Godfrey as an example (which you yourself have used). There's about 90 attorneys there last I checked. That means, according to your fact, the firm tried 90 cases last year and has probably already tried another 70+ cases this year.
The busiest USAOs in the country do not try that many cases a year. Some of the most seasoned AUSAs do not average a trial a year.
The only institution that I know of that can match and exceed those kind of numbers are local DAs and County Prosecutor offices, and the majority of their trial stats are from doing misdemeanor or felony DUI trials that last at most a day.
And if you are trying 1 case a year, that means that you are probably (conservatively speaking) prepping 3 or 4 cases to go to trial (because if you've practiced law you'd realize not every case that you work on actually goes to trial no matter what everyone says). Which means that on a yearly basis you are prepping 4-5 cases to go to trial every single year. Not humanly possible -- if not entirely laughable.
In fact, I don't know if there are 90 potential cases in any given year that Susman Godfrey would even be interested in taking to trial.
Yes, boutique lit shops do offer more opps for young associates, but let's not let hyperbole become reality.
Step back from the Kool-Aid and save some for the rest of us please.
Wow... how did you make that leap in logic? All I said was that each attorney goes to trial on average about once a year. I never said the firm averages 1 trial per associate/attorney. Two very different figures. Susman is known for having small trial teams, but for your argument to make sense, they would have to have trial teams of one, which they do not. They usually have 1-2 partners and 1-2 associates per case, with about 3-4 total attorneys probably being the most common. The firm currently has 88 attorneys, some of whom are staff attorneys, so they shouldn't be included in this figure. So as a rough estimate, an attorney averaging a trial a year would put the firm at about 20 cases a year.
You are clearly a valued poster and know a lot about practice. All I've maintained is that Susman and susman-caliber boutiques offer a VERY different experience compared to normal big law.
A trial team of 4 people is about how biglaw staffs a trial (generally speaking). So your numbers are off.
And weren't these kids running their own billion dollar cases? If so, why do these legal Einsteins need another 3 attorneys to try the damn case?
And 20 trials a year is still alot, my friend.