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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:16 am

Anonymous User wrote:Some of the poster's credentials are very qualified, to the point it makes me think that they're trolling. T25 10%/LR no offers just seem unorthodox to me tbh, unless the market is that saturated.


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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:17 am

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Anonymous User wrote:So for those of us that have struck out with biglaw, what is the next step? For me I guess it is time to start spamming the just as elusive "midlaw" firms in regions where I have connections. Anyone know the best way to do this? Is the approach any different than mass mailing biglaw firms?

Got market paying midlaw offer in 2ndary market. Mailed em and hit up connections. Same as anything else.

do mid-law firms take 2L's for the summer?

Yeah. I got the offer to be one. Depends on the firm, obviously.

edit: although it's a midsize firm, it's one of the bigger players in the market.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:04 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:So for those of us that have struck out with biglaw, what is the next step? For me I guess it is time to start spamming the just as elusive "midlaw" firms in regions where I have connections. Anyone know the best way to do this? Is the approach any different than mass mailing biglaw firms?

Got market paying midlaw offer in 2ndary market. Mailed em and hit up connections. Same as anything else.

do mid-law firms take 2L's for the summer?


Check out secondary markets on NALP. Also past state Law Journals usually have a summer associate edition and will give you an idea of the hiring (at least my state did). Although I'd consider most of these firms more "regional biglaw" than MidLaw, they're all certainly better than "strike out" (and if you have good credentials, they are likely still hiring).

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:06 pm

jumping ship. v20 offer from an interview that i hustled through mass mailing just last week. keep on truckin, guys.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:10 pm

Anonymous User wrote:jumping ship. v20 offer from an interview that i hustled through mass mailing just last week. keep on truckin, guys.


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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:33 pm

Just got second post-CB ding. Silence on two more. 4 more CB to go :|

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:53 pm

I want to follow up with a firm where I had a callback 3+ weeks ago. Is it better to just wait or follow up?

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby kahechsof » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I want to follow up with a firm where I had a callback 3+ weeks ago. Is it better to just wait or follow up?


I'd follow up.
My experience is that following up can lead to a quick ding and can lead to a quick offer. But I just don't see any possible downside.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:05 pm

kahechsof wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I want to follow up with a firm where I had a callback 3+ weeks ago. Is it better to just wait or follow up?


I'd follow up.
My experience is that following up can lead to a quick ding and can lead to a quick offer. But I just don't see any possible downside.


What if I called them last week and they told me to wait?

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:05 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Some of the poster's credentials are very qualified, to the point it makes me think that they're trolling. T25 10%/LR no offers just seem unorthodox to me tbh, unless the market is that saturated.


T25 5%/LR here.

Nothing.


T35 4%/LR. Didn't even get a callback.

I've left the USS Worried and jumped straight on the USS Giving Up on Legal Employment.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Indifferent » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
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Anonymous User wrote:Some of the poster's credentials are very qualified, to the point it makes me think that they're trolling. T25 10%/LR no offers just seem unorthodox to me tbh, unless the market is that saturated.


T25 5%/LR here.

Nothing.


T35 4%/LR. Didn't even get a callback.

I've left the USS Worried and jumped straight on the USS Giving Up on Legal Employment.

Please do not do that, you're in a very enviable position - keep looking, there are various firms that hire much, much later in the year. While they are not market paying and likely not NLJ250, a solid 2L clerkship will pay some bills and you should be in a great position for clerkships next year if you can maintain your gpa.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:33 pm

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T35 4%/LR. Didn't even get a callback.

I've left the USS Worried and jumped straight on the USS Giving Up on Legal Employment.

Please do not do that, you're in a very enviable position - keep looking, there are various firms that hire much, much later in the year. While they are not market paying and likely not NLJ250, a solid 2L clerkship will pay some bills and you should be in a great position for clerkships next year if you can maintain your gpa.


Thanks for the vote of confidence. I personally just wish that I'd understood two years ago that "bad legal market" meant that a 165 LSAT = never being a "real" lawyer (biglaw, government, major public interest), no matter how well I did afterwards.

When law school's over, I'll just do med school. It's by no means what I wanted to do as a career, but I've got the numbers, and it'll actually pay the loans.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby ResIpsa21 » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:40 pm

Anonymous User wrote:I would not categorize the admissions process nor LSAT as "legal employment" - only one of these is employment related and it happens to be the one we are all dealing with at the moment.


Above anon, please see below anon:

Anonymous User wrote:Thanks for the vote of confidence. I personally just wish that I'd understood two years ago that "bad legal market" meant that a 165 LSAT = never being a "real" lawyer (biglaw, government, major public interest), no matter how well I did afterwards.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby najumobi » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:41 pm

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T35 4%/LR. Didn't even get a callback.

I've left the USS Worried and jumped straight on the USS Giving Up on Legal Employment.

Please do not do that, you're in a very enviable position - keep looking, there are various firms that hire much, much later in the year. While they are not market paying and likely not NLJ250, a solid 2L clerkship will pay some bills and you should be in a great position for clerkships next year if you can maintain your gpa.


Thanks for the vote of confidence. I personally just wish that I'd understood two years ago that "bad legal market" meant that a 165 LSAT = never being a "real" lawyer (biglaw, government, major public interest), no matter how well I did afterwards.

When law school's over, I'll just do med school. It's by no means what I wanted to do as a career, but I've got the numbers, and it'll actually pay the loans.

how many law firms offices did you apply to....there are a total of ~1300 firm offices with 35 or more attorneys. you have the grades, so it's a number's game... just keep applying....
also, you may just have a systematic problem with interviewing, so you're going to need to read a book or two on how to interview.... even if you do end up trying to go to med school, you have to interview to be accepted so either way it'll be worth it to learn how
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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 6:48 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Indifferent wrote:

T35 4%/LR. Didn't even get a callback.

I've left the USS Worried and jumped straight on the USS Giving Up on Legal Employment.

Please do not do that, you're in a very enviable position - keep looking, there are various firms that hire much, much later in the year. While they are not market paying and likely not NLJ250, a solid 2L clerkship will pay some bills and you should be in a great position for clerkships next year if you can maintain your gpa.


Thanks for the vote of confidence. I personally just wish that I'd understood two years ago that "bad legal market" meant that a 165 LSAT = never being a "real" lawyer (biglaw, government, major public interest), no matter how well I did afterwards.

When law school's over, I'll just do med school. It's by no means what I wanted to do as a career, but I've got the numbers, and it'll actually pay the loans.


If you're going to go to med school, i would just drop out now and start getting ready to go. Med school is expensive, time consuming and will eat up your life. Best not to waste any more money with law school tuition.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:35 pm

only have on cb left that I haven't heard from. I emailed them, they responded with "you should be hearing from us in the next couple of days"


....rejection in the mail?

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:37 pm

Just mass-mailed. Fingers crossed. I really need this.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Just mass-mailed. Fingers crossed. I really need this.
Same. Or I should say mass emailed.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:43 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Just mass-mailed. Fingers crossed. I really need this.
Same. Or I should say mass emailed.


Is mass email generally acceptable? Seems almost too easy.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:45 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Just mass-mailed. Fingers crossed. I really need this.
Same. Or I should say mass emailed.


Is mass email generally acceptable? Seems almost too easy.


OP. I e-mailed too. At this point, it gets your resume on their desk quicker and that's what I need at this point in the game.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby kahechsof » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:47 pm

Re: Mass mail
Make sure to personalize each one, for real.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:49 pm

Legal recruiter of a firm called me about a week after my callback, saying multiple times I was one of the firm's top candidates and the committee had great things to say about me, but the firm needed to be fair and conduct its last set of callbacks before extending offers. It's been one week, and I heard recently the firm extended an offer to a student from another school. Haven't heard of offers from my own school yet. Not sure if this firm extends all offers at once.

Does this mean I'm out? And do legal recruiters usually leave voicemails like that...?

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:only have on cb left that I haven't heard from. I emailed them, they responded with "you should be hearing from us in the next couple of days"


....rejection in the mail?


dude at least you got a response. i followed up and the recruiters didn't even email me back.

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:only have on cb left that I haven't heard from. I emailed them, they responded with "you should be hearing from us in the next couple of days"


....rejection in the mail?


I am outing Mayer Brown right here, right now.
I emailed them asking for an update on Monday. They told me I'd hear from them the next week. Then I get a rejection in the mail- dated that Monday.
What in blazes is that?

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Re: No Offers Yet- All Aboard the USS Worried

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Legal recruiter of a firm called me about a week after my callback, saying multiple times I was one of the firm's top candidates and the committee had great things to say about me, but the firm needed to be fair and conduct its last set of callbacks before extending offers. It's been one week, and I heard recently the firm extended an offer to a student from another school. Haven't heard of offers from my own school yet. Not sure if this firm extends all offers at once.

Does this mean I'm out? And do legal recruiters usually leave voicemails like that...?

I got a call like that and got the offer a couple weeks later. They expedited their process for me.

YMMV




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