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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 04, 2011 1:24 pm

Anyone heard anything about Gammage & Burnham or Polsinelli Shughart?

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:35 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone heard anything about Gammage & Burnham or Polsinelli Shughart?


Negative on the Polsinelli Shughart.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:41 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anyone heard anything about Gammage & Burnham or Polsinelli Shughart?



Both have callbacks out, no known offers.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 07, 2011 6:18 pm

Anybody heard of more offers?

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Anybody heard of more offers?


I second this emotion

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:34 pm

Snell offer received and rejected.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:25 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Snell offer received and rejected.


Do you mind sharing where you're going instead and why?

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Sep 07, 2011 11:30 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Snell offer received and rejected.


Do you mind sharing where you're going instead and why?


A national firm but smaller office in another state. Didn't feel like Snell/Phoenix was as good of a fit for me.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:18 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Snell offer received and rejected.


Do you mind sharing where you're going instead and why?


A national firm but smaller office in another state. Didn't feel like Snell/Phoenix was as good of a fit for me.


Good luck with the other firm. Do you mind sharing whether your are in/out of state, ~school rank, ~class rank?

Fyi, don't know if this adds anything to the discussion, but I know almost all of the firms in this thread have sent "we don't want you for a callback but good luck finding a job in this awful economy" letters. I haven't heard of a Snell rejection letter being sent yet, tho. Posinelli doing CBS today, Bryan Cave tomorrow, Fennemore next week.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 8:47 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Snell offer received and rejected.


Do you mind sharing where you're going instead and why?


A national firm but smaller office in another state. Didn't feel like Snell/Phoenix was as good of a fit for me.


Good luck with the other firm. Do you mind sharing whether your are in/out of state, ~school rank, ~class rank?

Fyi, don't know if this adds anything to the discussion, but I know almost all of the firms in this thread have sent "we don't want you for a callback but good luck finding a job in this awful economy" letters. I haven't heard of a Snell rejection letter being sent yet, tho. Posinelli doing CBS today, Bryan Cave tomorrow, Fennemore next week.


From T10 school, top 1/4 of my class. From Phoenix originally.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 9:38 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Snell offer received and rejected.


Do you mind sharing where you're going instead and why?


A national firm but smaller office in another state. Didn't feel like Snell/Phoenix was as good of a fit for me.


Good luck with the other firm. Do you mind sharing whether your are in/out of state, ~school rank, ~class rank?

Fyi, don't know if this adds anything to the discussion, but I know almost all of the firms in this thread have sent "we don't want you for a callback but good luck finding a job in this awful economy" letters. I haven't heard of a Snell rejection letter being sent yet, tho. Posinelli doing CBS today, Bryan Cave tomorrow, Fennemore next week.


I got a snell rejection after CB.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:10 am

How many positions are on the table, total? G&B does 2, max, right? Snell has, I think, maybe ~8? Perkins Coie maybe ~5? Fennemore maybe ~8? I'm just trying to get a feel for how big this pie is.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:45 am

I heard that Fennemore is going to be more like 5-6 this year, Snell 6, and GT 6. Squire Sanders might be having a few as well?

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:55 am

Anonymous User wrote:I heard that Fennemore is going to be more like 5-6 this year, Snell 6, and GT 6. Squire Sanders might be having a few as well?


Its sad how Phoenix lags the nation. NY hiring seems to have picked back up, but PHX keeps dropping.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:04 am

Or if you believe attorneys are a bad thing, then it's good to have less in Phoenix.

Isn't Phoenix like 6th in terms of total population in America, but like 19th in terms of # of attorneys?

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:06 am

Anonymous User wrote:Or if you believe attorneys are a bad thing, then it's good to have less in Phoenix.

Isn't Phoenix like 6th in terms of total population in America, but like 19th in terms of # of attorneys?


16th (or so) in metro area populaton tho.

And more attorneys would be a sign of a more vital private sector. The largest predictor of legal market size is corp headquarters.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:14 am

Anonymous User wrote:I heard that Fennemore is going to be more like 5-6 this year, Snell 6, and GT 6. Squire Sanders might be having a few as well?


Where are you getting your intel? I'd be surprised if Snell only hired 6 people for next summer. They had 8 in the most recent class, gave all of them offers, and are apparently bumping the summer program back up to ten weeks. That firm is apparently in very good shape. I would guess they could have given offers to 12-15 SAs last year but they have decided to be conservative ever since the catastrophic summer class of 2009.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 11:26 am

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Anonymous User wrote:I heard that Fennemore is going to be more like 5-6 this year, Snell 6, and GT 6. Squire Sanders might be having a few as well?


Its sad how Phoenix lags the nation. NY hiring seems to have picked back up, but PHX keeps dropping.


Every secondary market lags behind NY in this respect. And it's questionable whether PHX class size is, indeed, continuing to drop. I summered at a PHX firm and almost every firm in the city seemed to be on the upswing.

And PHX is a lot like Denver, San Diego, Portland, and Seattle in terms of legal market size, even though in metro population PHX is more comparable to Boston, Detroit, Miami, etc. You can't really compare PHX to NY when PHX is barely a top 20 legal market.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:33 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:I heard that Fennemore is going to be more like 5-6 this year, Snell 6, and GT 6. Squire Sanders might be having a few as well?


Where are you getting your intel? I'd be surprised if Snell only hired 6 people for next summer. They had 8 in the most recent class, gave all of them offers, and are apparently bumping the summer program back up to ten weeks. That firm is apparently in very good shape. I would guess they could have given offers to 12-15 SAs last year but they have decided to be conservative ever since the catastrophic summer class of 2009.


CB with Fennemore and GT. Any idea how many of their SAs they got permanent offers this year?

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:35 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I heard that Fennemore is going to be more like 5-6 this year, Snell 6, and GT 6. Squire Sanders might be having a few as well?


Where are you getting your intel? I'd be surprised if Snell only hired 6 people for next summer. They had 8 in the most recent class, gave all of them offers, and are apparently bumping the summer program back up to ten weeks. That firm is apparently in very good shape. I would guess they could have given offers to 12-15 SAs last year but they have decided to be conservative ever since the catastrophic summer class of 2009.


The NALP forms, for whatever they're worth, suggest more SA's than that. I believe the NALP says Snell will have ~8, Fennemore ~9, etc.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:36 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:Or if you believe attorneys are a bad thing, then it's good to have less in Phoenix.

Isn't Phoenix like 6th in terms of total population in America, but like 19th in terms of # of attorneys?


16th (or so) in metro area populaton tho.

And more attorneys would be a sign of a more vital private sector. The largest predictor of legal market size is corp headquarters.
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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:20 am

Any more movement?

Did anybody get a letter from Gammage & Burnham stating that the candidate is still under consideration? I know someone that got a letter like that, but I did not get one. It also seems kind of funky.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:32 am

Regarding Gammage's letter, I got a phone call like that from O'Melveny's west coast office about a week ago. I accepted an offer the next day with Latham. Probably wouldn't have chosen OMM over them, but it seemed somewhat TTT to call a few weeks after callback and say, "Hopefully we'll have good news for you soon, but we just don't like you enough to give you an offer until we see more people."

It's a buyer's market. And the firms are the buyers.

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:57 pm

Anyone receive an offer from Fennemore Craig yet?

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Re: Phoenix CB's

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:24 pm

CB with Osborn. T-40, T 5%, LR, OOS.




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