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Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 6:55 pm
by Anonymous User
Who is better for litigation?

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:28 pm
by Anonymous User
Hard Choice?

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:32 pm
by Anonymous User
This is a joke right? The question is analogous to asking, "What's better for M&A: Wachtell or Jones Day NY?".

Honestly, just posing this question implies you certainly don't have an offer from BSF.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:54 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:This is a joke right? The question is analogous to asking, "What's better for M&A: Wachtell or Jones Day NY?".

Honestly, just posing this question implies you certainly don't have an offer from BSF.



OP never said anything about an offer...

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:55 pm
by marija
Williams & Connolly

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:56 pm
by Anonymous User
Compare these kinds of polls to Chambers and Partners for an insight into the omniscience of TLS's battalion of school kids.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:00 pm
by Grizz
marija wrote:Williams & Connolly

Lol

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:15 pm
by Anonymous User
Grizz wrote:
marija wrote:Williams & Connolly

Lol


+1

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:25 pm
by Anonymous User
OCEANS RISE

CITIES FALL

QUINN REMAINS

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:35 pm
by Anonymous User
I am also considering both of these firms for litigation. Does Cravath have better exit options even though Boies is considered a lit. boutique?

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:48 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:I am also considering both of these firms for litigation. Does Cravath have better exit options even though Boies is considered a lit. boutique?


I think this depends on what sort of exit options you want...

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:49 pm
by Grizz
Anonymous User wrote:OCEANS RISE

CITIES FALL

QUINN REMAINS

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:55 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:This is a joke right? The question is analogous to asking, "What's better for M&A: Wachtell or Jones Day NY?".

Honestly, just posing this question implies you certainly don't have an offer from BSF.


Um, really? Check the latest chambers rankings for litigation. Not saying it's gospel, but the fact that clients and peers rate Cravath higher than BSF should tell you how ridiculous it is to say that this is an obvious choice. Not to mention David Boies first chairs pretty much every big matter BSF is on, so when he croaks the firm's profile will go way down.

OP, do you want a more boutique-ish atmosphere, or regular biglaw? Also, mix of work is different since BSF can sue banks whereas Cravath (and most other biglaw firms) can't.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:13 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:This is a joke right? The question is analogous to asking, "What's better for M&A: Wachtell or Jones Day NY?".

Honestly, just posing this question implies you certainly don't have an offer from BSF.


Um, really? Check the latest chambers rankings for litigation. Not saying it's gospel, but the fact that clients and peers rate Cravath higher than BSF should tell you how ridiculous it is to say that this is an obvious choice. Not to mention David Boies first chairs pretty much every big matter BSF is on, so when he croaks the firm's profile will go way down.

OP, do you want a more boutique-ish atmosphere, or regular biglaw? Also, mix of work is different since BSF can sue banks whereas Cravath (and most other biglaw firms) can't.


How many people think this is true? (DB croaking will lower the firm way down?)

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:17 pm
by Renzo
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:This is a joke right? The question is analogous to asking, "What's better for M&A: Wachtell or Jones Day NY?".

Honestly, just posing this question implies you certainly don't have an offer from BSF.


Um, really? Check the latest chambers rankings for litigation. Not saying it's gospel, but the fact that clients and peers rate Cravath higher than BSF should tell you how ridiculous it is to say that this is an obvious choice. Not to mention David Boies first chairs pretty much every big matter BSF is on, so when he croaks the firm's profile will go way down.

OP, do you want a more boutique-ish atmosphere, or regular biglaw? Also, mix of work is different since BSF can sue banks whereas Cravath (and most other biglaw firms) can't.


How many people think this is true? (DB croaking will lower the firm way down?)


Boise Schiller isn't a firm. It's David Boise and a bunch of people who work for him.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:26 pm
by Anonymous User
Renzo wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:This is a joke right? The question is analogous to asking, "What's better for M&A: Wachtell or Jones Day NY?".

Honestly, just posing this question implies you certainly don't have an offer from BSF.


Um, really? Check the latest chambers rankings for litigation. Not saying it's gospel, but the fact that clients and peers rate Cravath higher than BSF should tell you how ridiculous it is to say that this is an obvious choice. Not to mention David Boies first chairs pretty much every big matter BSF is on, so when he croaks the firm's profile will go way down.

OP, do you want a more boutique-ish atmosphere, or regular biglaw? Also, mix of work is different since BSF can sue banks whereas Cravath (and most other biglaw firms) can't.


How many people think this is true? (DB croaking will lower the firm way down?)


Boise Schiller isn't a firm. It's David Boise and a bunch of people who work for him.


Seriously, this is not true.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Wed Aug 24, 2011 11:26 pm
by Anonymous User

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:07 am
by Renzo
Anonymous User wrote:
Renzo wrote:
Boise Schiller isn't a firm. It's David Boise and a bunch of people who work for him.


Seriously, this is not true.


Check you Superlawyers, or Chambers guide, or any other metric/list/ranking you like. Cravath, Paul Weiss, etc. have deep rosters of elite, highly regarded litigators. Meanwhile, no one knows the name of anyone who works for Boise Schiller except David Boise. He's the reason people hire BSF. Hell, clients have even sued BSF because they didn't think Boise was personally spending enough time on their cases.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:42 am
by YourCaptain
Grizz wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:OCEANS RISE

CITIES FALL

QUINN REMAINS

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:10 pm
by Anonymous User
Hmm. According to DB, he only generates 15% of the business...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... Highlights

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 8:29 pm
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:Hmm. According to DB, he only generates 15% of the business...http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... Highlights

15% is a ton, especially considering it's probably the most high-profile 15%. Having said that, this is probably a non-issue unless we think Boies is going to retire in the next five years or so, since that's about the length of time any of us are likely to still be working in a place like BSF.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:50 am
by Anonymous User
How is this seriously even a question? It's BSF without a doubt.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:05 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:How is this seriously even a question? It's BSF without a doubt.


Thank you for this worthless and entirely conclusory contribution.

OP, I think the choice ultimately turns on whether you want to spend a substantial portion of your first few years after law school at a boutique or a large law firm. Cravath has its distinctive rotational system that may or may not be a good fit for you. Both firms will allow you to take on more responsibility earlier on than you likely would be able to at similarly well respected shops.

You certainly cannot go wrong with either firm though.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:02 am
by Anonymous User
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How is this seriously even a question? It's BSF without a doubt.


Thank you for this worthless and entirely conclusory contribution.

OP, I think the choice ultimately turns on whether you want to spend a substantial portion of your first few years after law school at a boutique or a large law firm. Cravath has its distinctive rotational system that may or may not be a good fit for you. Both firms will allow you to take on more responsibility earlier on than you likely would be able to at similarly well respected shops.

You certainly cannot go wrong with either firm though.


Yes, obviously it comes down to a matter of "personal choice." But If you put it in concrete terms, BSF beats out elite biglaw on the metrics that matter - above-market compensation, matters that biglaw firms simply cannot handle, substantive responsibility. I just don't see a reason why the personal choice in this comparison would cut in favor of biglaw for someone intent on litigation. Larger firms might offer the benefit of flexibility in assignments just by virtue of the scope of their practice, but obviously that's a non-factor with Cravath.

Re: Boies, Schiller & Flexner v. Cravath

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:41 am
by vamedic03
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How is this seriously even a question? It's BSF without a doubt.


Thank you for this worthless and entirely conclusory contribution.

OP, I think the choice ultimately turns on whether you want to spend a substantial portion of your first few years after law school at a boutique or a large law firm. Cravath has its distinctive rotational system that may or may not be a good fit for you. Both firms will allow you to take on more responsibility earlier on than you likely would be able to at similarly well respected shops.

You certainly cannot go wrong with either firm though.


Yes, obviously it comes down to a matter of "personal choice." But If you put it in concrete terms, BSF beats out elite biglaw on the metrics that matter - above-market compensation, matters that biglaw firms simply cannot handle, substantive responsibility. I just don't see a reason why the personal choice in this comparison would cut in favor of biglaw for someone intent on litigation. Larger firms might offer the benefit of flexibility in assignments just by virtue of the scope of their practice, but obviously that's a non-factor with Cravath.


Outside of above market compensation, I don't quite see how there are any differences between top notch large law firm litigation and Boies Schiller.

(1) By "maters that biglaw firms simply cannot handle" you mean plaintiffs suits, I don't see how that is advantageous. Otherwise, Boies does not have any special abilities that other law firms lack.

(2) As to "substantive responsibility", I have yet to see anyone actually identify such an example. If you're doing major litigation at either Cravath or Boies, an associate (especially junior or midlevel) shouldn't expect any stand-up experience. Associates at both firms will be doing some degree of document production.

(3) The smaller the firm, the more likely you are to get stuck on a case. At any large law firm, you at least have some means of rotating off a nightmare case (or at Cravath, your rotation will eventually end).

(4) I'm finding that people on here are posting anonymous incessantly. This decreases the quality of conversation, especially since no one appears to have any (a) inside information or (b) ability to look beyond hype.

(5) Cravath has a top notch litigation shop and I don't understand why so many people here undercut it.