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Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:36 am

Assuming the transactions at issue have gone public, is it acceptable to mention deals you've worked on by name on your resume (e.g., "Drafted merger agreement for AOL's $164 billion acquisition of Time Warner") or should you refer to the transactions generally and without specific references to the companies at play (e.g., "Drafted financial advisory firm's Fairness Opinion to a major pharmaceutical corporation as part of a $7.4 billion merger.")?
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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby imchuckbass58 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 1:38 am

Anonymous User wrote:Is it acceptable to mention deals you've worked on by name on your resume (e.g., "Drafted merger agreement for AOL's $164 billion acquisition of Time Warner") or should you refer to the transactions generally and without specific references to the companies at play (e.g., "Drafted financial advisory firm's Fairness Opinion to a major pharmaceutical corporation as part of a $7.4 billion merger.")? Assuming the transactions at issue have gone public, of course.


Generally it's fine if the transaction is both completed and public, and there is a public record that your firm worked on the deal.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby ggocat » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Assuming the transactions at issue have gone public, is it acceptable to mention deals you've worked on by name on your resume (e.g., "Drafted merger agreement for AOL's $164 billion acquisition of Time Warner") or should you refer to the transactions generally and without specific references to the companies at play (e.g., "Drafted financial advisory firm's Fairness Opinion to a major pharmaceutical corporation as part of a $7.4 billion merger.")?

I would use the general description or no description at all. I think using the client's name could raise eyebrows in a bad way even if the deal is public. It would cause me to question your judgment and confidentiality, unless I have reason to believe that you had informed consent from the client to reveal your representation (e.g., you are partner or associate at the firm in a position to have contact with client). If this is something you did as an SA, I would definitely not include the client name.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby Unitas » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:08 pm

ggocat wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Assuming the transactions at issue have gone public, is it acceptable to mention deals you've worked on by name on your resume (e.g., "Drafted merger agreement for AOL's $164 billion acquisition of Time Warner") or should you refer to the transactions generally and without specific references to the companies at play (e.g., "Drafted financial advisory firm's Fairness Opinion to a major pharmaceutical corporation as part of a $7.4 billion merger.")?

I would use the general description or no description at all. I think using the client's name could raise eyebrows in a bad way even if the deal is public. It would cause me to question your judgment and confidentiality, unless I have reason to believe that you had informed consent from the client to reveal your representation (e.g., you are partner or associate at the firm in a position to have contact with client). If this is something you did as an SA, I would definitely not include the client name.


+1, this is just silly. You didn't do anything with these deals except behind the scenes work. Your name is not on any of them. If you are using one as a writing sample they will see the work. Put a general description of work done and then during an interview talk about your experience working on cases without ever mentioning a client name. You can mention dollar values if you desire but it isn't likely to matter unless you could show some kind of progression from little deals to bigger deals to show gained responsibility through trust building-otherwise it is just another assignment that could've gone to any SA. No one is going to give you an interview based on your expertise during a merger that they are well aware you contributed the value a normal SA would contribute.

If your name is on the document this would likely change and putting the second one would be ok. Never mention client names-never. Look at firm websites and the achievements section. Most only say the industry and rarely say client names.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby TooOld4This » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:12 pm

This thread is full of reasons law students should not give career advice when they are making things up.

Listing public deals is standard for resumes. Many transactional attorneys include "deal sheets" with their resumes.

If you have any question about the scope of what you can list, contact the person you worked on the deal with.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby imchuckbass58 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:19 pm

Unitas wrote:If your name is on the document this would likely change and putting the second one would be ok. Never mention client names-never. Look at firm websites and the achievements section. Most only say the industry and rarely say client names.


Actually, almost all announcements say not only the specific client, but list every lawyer who worked on the transaction including associates, and in some cases including summers.

Examples of literally every announced deal being attached to a client:
--LinkRemoved--
http://www.cgsh.com/experience/
http://www.davispolk.com/news/list.aspx ... 790286403e

Examples of firms listing summers:
http://www.cravath.com/Nalcos-Merger-Ag ... th-Ecolab/
http://www.stblaw.com/siteContent.cfm?c ... cusID=2204
http://www.stblaw.com/siteContent.cfm?c ... cusID=2237

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby ggocat » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:26 pm

TooOld4This wrote:This thread is full of reasons law students should not give career advice when they are making things up.

Listing public deals is standard for resumes. Many transactional attorneys include "deal sheets" with their resumes.

If you have any question about the scope of what you can list, contact the person you worked on the deal with.

I am not a law student, and I've hired law students for summer positions. But I agree with the bolded--definitely talk to someone who knows whether disclosure has been authorized.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby Unitas » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:28 pm

imchuckbass58 wrote:
Unitas wrote:If your name is on the document this would likely change and putting the second one would be ok. Never mention client names-never. Look at firm websites and the achievements section. Most only say the industry and rarely say client names.


Actually, almost all announcements say not only the specific client, but list every lawyer who worked on the transaction including associates, and in some cases including summers.

Examples of literally every announced deal being attached to a client:
--LinkRemoved--
http://www.cgsh.com/experience/
http://www.davispolk.com/news/list.aspx ... 790286403e

Examples of firms listing summers:
http://www.cravath.com/Nalcos-Merger-Ag ... th-Ecolab/
http://www.stblaw.com/siteContent.cfm?c ... cusID=2204
http://www.stblaw.com/siteContent.cfm?c ... cusID=2237


But if you look at each attorney's profile. Associates just list schools and practice areas and Partners list who they work for. http://www.stblaw.com/lawyerSearch.cfm

Maybe I'm wrong and do what you want. If you think a SA putting down he drafted a multi-billion dollar deal with a client name is a good idea then so be it.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:23 pm

Out of curiosity--ggocat and Unitas, are you guys litigators or transactional attorneys?

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby dood » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:37 pm

Unitas wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong and do what you want. If you think a SA putting down he drafted a multi-billion dollar deal with a client name is a good idea then so be it.


its a great idea if he actually did it. for example, i list specific clients and dollar amounts ($Ms) on my resume b/c i was #1 contact for said clients, showing ability handle large deals/clients, aka skills necessary to bring in business as a partner. at CBs i always bring my business card binder as well as pictures of me and clients in vegas, mexico, etc, just to make that point extra clear.

PROTIP #81: name dropping is important (in any context) but only if u can back it up.

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Postby dood » Sat Aug 20, 2011 5:50 pm

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 02, 2017 7:56 pm

Does anybody have an updated opinion on this? Can't get a definitive answer anywhere.

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Postby mjb447 » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:35 pm

Do you mean thinly veiled troll v. naked douche?

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby Pokemon » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:07 pm

TooOld4This wrote:This thread is full of reasons law students should not give career advice when they are making things up.

Listing public deals is standard for resumes. Many transactional attorneys include "deal sheets" with their resumes.

If you have any question about the scope of what you can list, contact the person you worked on the deal with.



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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby ggocat » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:53 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does anybody have an updated opinion on this?

No. Same as six years ago.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Mar 07, 2017 10:23 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does anybody have an updated opinion on this? Can't get a definitive answer anywhere.


If you have substantial deal experience do a deal sheet. If not, put general work you did on your resume and you can talk about what deals you worked on in an interview.

Just a first year, but am trying to lateral and the mid-levels and seniors I am close with told me the above is how to do it.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby masque du pantsu » Wed Mar 08, 2017 4:02 pm

In M&A at least it is totally normal to have a deal sheet post third-year or so. You can list names of parties to the extent they are already public and nobody will bat an eye or think negatively of your ability to handle confidentiality, etc. (i'm going to give those people above in the thread the benefit of the doubt and assume they're thinking from a litigation or other perspective).

What you can do for those that are not public is something general, like "Reprsented a private equity sponsor in connection with its bid to acquire a Peruvian mining operation (transaction abandoned)." or something along those lines.

Here's a good way to determine whether you need / should have one. After you list all your deals, add a parenthetical that describes in less than a sentence what exactly it is that you did, basically focusing on the MOST substantive thing you did. So, your first-year deals would be like "(reviewed documents and assisted with drafting due diligence memorandum)", and by the time you're like a ninth year it would be "(senior associate on transaction; primary drafter and negotiator of merger agreement)", etc.

if every single one would says things like "assisted with diligence report," then you DO NOT need a deal sheet and it would be silly to have one. It will look silly.

If you have some that say "assisted with diligence report," others that say "primary drafter of diligence report and primary drafter of [ancillary documents"], and others that say something like "managed diligence process and drafted diligence report; primary drafter and negotiator of ancillary documents including non-disclosure agreements; assisted with drafting merger agreement and voting agreement", then it is helpful to show your progression, career development, etc., but not strictly necessary probably.

Anything more senior than that, and at least in the M&A world in my view, people will expect to see one.

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Re: Resume: Mentioning Deals by Name

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:15 am

masque du pantsu wrote:In M&A at least it is totally normal to have a deal sheet post third-year or so. You can list names of parties to the extent they are already public and nobody will bat an eye or think negatively of your ability to handle confidentiality, etc. (i'm going to give those people above in the thread the benefit of the doubt and assume they're thinking from a litigation or other perspective).

What you can do for those that are not public is something general, like "Reprsented a private equity sponsor in connection with its bid to acquire a Peruvian mining operation (transaction abandoned)." or something along those lines.

Here's a good way to determine whether you need / should have one. After you list all your deals, add a parenthetical that describes in less than a sentence what exactly it is that you did, basically focusing on the MOST substantive thing you did. So, your first-year deals would be like "(reviewed documents and assisted with drafting due diligence memorandum)", and by the time you're like a ninth year it would be "(senior associate on transaction; primary drafter and negotiator of merger agreement)", etc.

if every single one would says things like "assisted with diligence report," then you DO NOT need a deal sheet and it would be silly to have one. It will look silly.

If you have some that say "assisted with diligence report," others that say "primary drafter of diligence report and primary drafter of [ancillary documents"], and others that say something like "managed diligence process and drafted diligence report; primary drafter and negotiator of ancillary documents including non-disclosure agreements; assisted with drafting merger agreement and voting agreement", then it is helpful to show your progression, career development, etc., but not strictly necessary probably.

Anything more senior than that, and at least in the M&A world in my view, people will expect to see one.


Just want to say that midlevels and seniors I respect that I talked to basically said this. Although, instead of having the most substantive thing they did, they would put a few of the substantive things they did. But maybe the person I am quoting has the better approach. Wanted to make clear that this guy/gal seems legit from the seniors I have talked to in my group. They all have deal sheets similar to what this person described.




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