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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby rayiner » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:37 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Inter-t14 transfers are weird as fuck because there is zero benefit in doing the transfer.


And are willing to give up their friends to do so.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby IAFG » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:38 pm

I suppose it's possible to over-estimate the prestige-whoring that goes on at big firms... but I am having a hard time imagining it.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby 09042014 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:42 pm

rayiner wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Inter-t14 transfers are weird as fuck because there is zero benefit in doing the transfer.


And are willing to give up their friends to do so.


False, they never had friends.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:47 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Also, don't forget transfers who are splitters and didn't get into T14's because of terrible undergrad grades -- often grades from years ago. A higher GPA would have made me competitive for the school I got into as a transfer with my LSAT. My 1L grades and work experience are WAY more indicative of the type of worker I am than grades from years ago (which basically discounts the "one year wonder" theory). I think it's ridiculous to generalize that people lack "je ne sais quoi" because they weren't motivated at 18, but could have easily changed by 28.


This was me as well. 168 LSAT (taken absolutely cold with no prep whatsoever), and 2.3 UGPA because 7 years ago when I was an undergrad I didn't give a single fuck. This put me into a TTT where the median LSAT was 155. Unsurprisingly I absolutely crushed 1L year, which required diligent work, but nothing even approaching superhuman effort. Transferred into T14 this year. So far am enjoying being around other smart people for a change. There are certainly classmates who are my intellectual superiors, but there are more that are not. Luckily I have no interest in the Biglaw slave factory, so I don't have to deal with being judged by screening interviewers who often wouldn't have made the cut themselves pre-ITE.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby IAFG » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Also, don't forget transfers who are splitters and didn't get into T14's because of terrible undergrad grades -- often grades from years ago. A higher GPA would have made me competitive for the school I got into as a transfer with my LSAT. My 1L grades and work experience are WAY more indicative of the type of worker I am than grades from years ago (which basically discounts the "one year wonder" theory). I think it's ridiculous to generalize that people lack "je ne sais quoi" because they weren't motivated at 18, but could have easily changed by 28.


This was me as well. 168 LSAT (taken absolutely cold with no prep whatsoever), and 2.3 UGPA because 7 years ago when I was an undergrad I didn't give a single fuck. This put me into a TTT where the median LSAT was 155. Unsurprisingly I absolutely crushed 1L year, which required diligent work, but nothing even approaching superhuman effort. Transferred into T14 this year. So far am enjoying being around other smart people for a change. There are certainly classmates who are my intellectual superiors, but there are more that are not. Luckily I have no interest in the Biglaw slave factory, so I don't have to deal with being judged by screening interviewers who often wouldn't have made the cut themselves pre-ITE.

Yeah, no, my mistake. Clearly transfers are all normal, well-adjusted people. Just look at this guy.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby minnbills » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:54 pm

Anonymous User wrote:This was me as well. 168 LSAT (taken absolutely cold with no prep whatsoever), and 2.3 UGPA because 7 years ago when I was an undergrad I didn't give a single fuck. This put me into a TTT where the median LSAT was 155. Unsurprisingly I absolutely crushed 1L year, which required diligent work, but nothing even approaching superhuman effort. Transferred into T14 this year. So far am enjoying being around other smart people for a change. There are certainly classmates who are my intellectual superiors, but there are more that are not. Luckily I have no interest in the Biglaw slave factory, so I don't have to deal with being judged by screening interviewers who often wouldn't have made the cut themselves pre-ITE.


What are you planning on doing?

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby nymario » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:56 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Inter-t14 transfers are weird as fuck because there is zero benefit in doing the transfer.


RBG did it, and it worked out for her.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:56 pm

IAFG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Also, don't forget transfers who are splitters and didn't get into T14's because of terrible undergrad grades -- often grades from years ago. A higher GPA would have made me competitive for the school I got into as a transfer with my LSAT. My 1L grades and work experience are WAY more indicative of the type of worker I am than grades from years ago (which basically discounts the "one year wonder" theory). I think it's ridiculous to generalize that people lack "je ne sais quoi" because they weren't motivated at 18, but could have easily changed by 28.


This was me as well. 168 LSAT (taken absolutely cold with no prep whatsoever), and 2.3 UGPA because 7 years ago when I was an undergrad I didn't give a single fuck. This put me into a TTT where the median LSAT was 155. Unsurprisingly I absolutely crushed 1L year, which required diligent work, but nothing even approaching superhuman effort. Transferred into T14 this year. So far am enjoying being around other smart people for a change. There are certainly classmates who are my intellectual superiors, but there are more that are not. Luckily I have no interest in the Biglaw slave factory, so I don't have to deal with being judged by screening interviewers who often wouldn't have made the cut themselves pre-ITE.

Yeah, no, my mistake. Clearly transfers are all normal, well-adjusted people. Just look at this guy.


You mistake honesty for rudeness. Obviously I'd never demonstrate that attitude IRL. On this bitch-fest of a forum though...

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby lawschoolROCKS22 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:57 pm

nymario wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Inter-t14 transfers are weird as fuck because there is zero benefit in doing the transfer.


RBG did it, and it worked out for her.


RBG was also weird as fuck.
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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby IAFG » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
IAFG wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Also, don't forget transfers who are splitters and didn't get into T14's because of terrible undergrad grades -- often grades from years ago. A higher GPA would have made me competitive for the school I got into as a transfer with my LSAT. My 1L grades and work experience are WAY more indicative of the type of worker I am than grades from years ago (which basically discounts the "one year wonder" theory). I think it's ridiculous to generalize that people lack "je ne sais quoi" because they weren't motivated at 18, but could have easily changed by 28.


This was me as well. 168 LSAT (taken absolutely cold with no prep whatsoever), and 2.3 UGPA because 7 years ago when I was an undergrad I didn't give a single fuck. This put me into a TTT where the median LSAT was 155. Unsurprisingly I absolutely crushed 1L year, which required diligent work, but nothing even approaching superhuman effort. Transferred into T14 this year. So far am enjoying being around other smart people for a change. There are certainly classmates who are my intellectual superiors, but there are more that are not. Luckily I have no interest in the Biglaw slave factory, so I don't have to deal with being judged by screening interviewers who often wouldn't have made the cut themselves pre-ITE.

Yeah, no, my mistake. Clearly transfers are all normal, well-adjusted people. Just look at this guy.


You mistake honesty for rudeness. Obviously I'd never demonstrate that attitude IRL. On this bitch-fest of a forum though...

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby lawschoolROCKS22 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:07 pm

Anyone else find it amusing that OCI season is going on and the hottest thread on this forum right now is one called "feeling extremely down"?

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby starchinkilt » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:15 pm

lawschoolROCKS22 wrote:Anyone else find it amusing fitting that OCI season is going on and the hottest thread on this forum right now is one called "feeling extremely down"?

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:27 pm

minnbills wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:This was me as well. 168 LSAT (taken absolutely cold with no prep whatsoever), and 2.3 UGPA because 7 years ago when I was an undergrad I didn't give a single fuck. This put me into a TTT where the median LSAT was 155. Unsurprisingly I absolutely crushed 1L year, which required diligent work, but nothing even approaching superhuman effort. Transferred into T14 this year. So far am enjoying being around other smart people for a change. There are certainly classmates who are my intellectual superiors, but there are more that are not. Luckily I have no interest in the Biglaw slave factory, so I don't have to deal with being judged by screening interviewers who often wouldn't have made the cut themselves pre-ITE.


What are you planning on doing?


I networked into a midlaw firm over the summer that has a practice area in the specific niche I want to work in. And a short partnership track. To be clear, it's not the biglaw hours I object to. It's the bureaucracy inherent in working for any giant organization combined with the fact that I have zero interest in most business litigation. I think a lot of people get so lost in the anticipation of biglaw money and prestige that they forget that business litigation is just boring as fuck compared to most other kinds of litigation. I have WE, and I know for a fact that if I'm doing 80 hour weeks I have to really like the work or else I'm just miserable all the time.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby 09042014 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:31 pm

nymario wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Inter-t14 transfers are weird as fuck because there is zero benefit in doing the transfer.


RBG did it, and it worked out for her.


Who is rbg? Also just because there is no benefit doesn't mean it hurts. That reasoning is why I got into my school on the first try.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby LawSchoolWannaBe » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:32 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
nymario wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Inter-t14 transfers are weird as fuck because there is zero benefit in doing the transfer.


RBG did it, and it worked out for her.


Who is rbg? Also just because there is no benefit doesn't mean it hurts. That reasoning is why I got into my school on the first try.


Ruther Bader Ginsburg

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby Wholigan » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:38 pm

nymario wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Inter-t14 transfers are weird as fuck because there is zero benefit in doing the transfer.


RBG did it, and it worked out for her.


So did the Dean of Georgetown Law.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby 09042014 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:44 pm

Wholigan wrote:
nymario wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:Inter-t14 transfers are weird as fuck because there is zero benefit in doing the transfer.


RBG did it, and it worked out for her.


So did the Dean of Georgetown Law.


So clearly it is ttt behavior.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby MrAnon » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:13 pm

I just overheard an NYC hiring partner at brunch mocking the idea that his firm would hire transfers at a T14. I could barely make out what school but I know he said interviews were on Tuesday. Does anybody recognize the school?

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby rayiner » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:15 pm

MrAnon wrote:I just overheard an NYC hiring partner at brunch mocking the idea that his firm would hire transfers at a T14. I could barely make out what school but I know he said interviews were on Tuesday. Does anybody recognize the school?


Oh my god you're so full of shit.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:15 pm

MrAnon wrote:I just overheard an NYC hiring partner at brunch mocking the idea that his firm would hire transfers at a T14. I could barely make out what school but I know he said interviews were on Tuesday. Does anybody recognize the school?


Hmm, sort of convenient that you would "overhear" this at the moment you did. I smell a liar

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby 5ky » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:22 pm

MrAnon wrote:I just overheard an NYC hiring partner at brunch mocking the idea that his firm would hire transfers at a T14. I could barely make out what school but I know he said interviews were on Tuesday. Does anybody recognize the school?


this is just terrific.

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby starchinkilt » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:26 pm

MrAnon wrote:I just overheard an NYC hiring partner at brunch mocking the idea that his firm would hire transfers at a T14. I could barely make out what school but I know he said interviews were on Tuesday. Does anybody recognize the school?


Lol, CLS releases info on which firms took transfers, and all of the top firms did, so even if this is true, I doubt transfers will care about this ttt firm while they're at a bunch of firms(from V5's to regionals).

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby Helmholtz » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:28 pm

rayiner wrote:
MrAnon wrote:I just overheard an NYC hiring partner at brunch mocking the idea that his firm would hire transfers at a T14. I could barely make out what school but I know he said interviews were on Tuesday. Does anybody recognize the school?


Oh my god you're so full of shit.


+1

and temp-banned

seriously, dude

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:35 pm

Helmholtz wrote:
rayiner wrote:
MrAnon wrote:I just overheard an NYC hiring partner at brunch mocking the idea that his firm would hire transfers at a T14. I could barely make out what school but I know he said interviews were on Tuesday. Does anybody recognize the school?


Oh my god you're so full of shit.


+1

and temp-banned

seriously, dude


Thanks, this thread has gone in million directions thanks to him and areyouinsane.

Does anyone know if transfer students typically take a little bit longer to hear back from firms, as they may have some trouble deciding how to evaluate them? I guess this isn't the first time they have ever dealt with transfer students before, though, so maybe that wouldn't quite explain it.

For those who are in a similar situation (approaching OCI strikeout, transfer or not), what are you thinking now? What are people telling you?

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Re: Feeling Extremely Down

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:16 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Helmholtz wrote:
rayiner wrote:
MrAnon wrote:I just overheard an NYC hiring partner at brunch mocking the idea that his firm would hire transfers at a T14. I could barely make out what school but I know he said interviews were on Tuesday. Does anybody recognize the school?


Oh my god you're so full of shit.


+1

and temp-banned

seriously, dude


Thanks, this thread has gone in million directions thanks to him and areyouinsane.

Does anyone know if transfer students typically take a little bit longer to hear back from firms, as they may have some trouble deciding how to evaluate them? I guess this isn't the first time they have ever dealt with transfer students before, though, so maybe that wouldn't quite explain it.

For those who are in a similar situation (approaching OCI strikeout, transfer or not), what are you thinking now? What are people telling you?


What am I thinking? End of the world.

Career services is trying to be optimistic, telling me (and giving me a list) of people who got firm jobs a little later in the hiring season. I'm not too optimistic on that front, but I understand where they are coming from - in fact, I need the optimism.

In the interim, the CSO is going to make some discreet phone calls to firms and find out what exactly is going on, especially at places where (a) i thought I had a good interview and (b) i'm well within the grade-range from which they normally hire. Maybe I am just an epically bad interviewer.

We're also revving up plan B, which is to continue mass mailing, including to secondary markets where I might have some semblance of a connection. I'm also looking at government options (SLIP, USAO, etc), though I know those are just as difficult to get.

In conversations with friends, it gets kind of awkward when they discuss their CBs and then ask where I'm doings CBs. So I just try to avoid that topic from now on.

20+ interviews, 12-14 dings, about 10 outstanding. Yeah.




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