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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:16 pm

What's the best way to explain a low legal reading/writing grade if asked about it in an interview? I'm top 25% at a T14 but my legal reading/writing grade was my lowest grade both semesters. I honestly didn't put much effort into the class since it was weighted lightly compared to substantive classes, but now I'm worried it might come back to bite me.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:18 pm

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Really depends on the firm. Generally, TX is going to be easiest, SF/DC hardest. SV often not that tough. If you're doing well at your firm it all becomes easier. If you're a mediocre associate and they'll be happy to get rid of you at that point anyway...


But if I'm aiming to switch to DC/CA, does it matter much where I start? Would going from TX be harder than going from NY? If the way firm office locations shake out, I also have to lateral, is NY going to make the transition appreciably easier?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:42 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What's the best way to explain a low legal reading/writing grade if asked about it in an interview? I'm top 25% at a T14 but my legal reading/writing grade was my lowest grade both semesters. I honestly didn't put much effort into the class since it was weighted lightly compared to substantive classes, but now I'm worried it might come back to bite me.


Uhh

How badly are we talking here? If it doesn't really affect GPA computation not a huge deal. If it's B- or lower, you should have something handy to prove you can actually write.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Tue Jun 10, 2014 6:42 pm

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itbdvorm wrote:
Really depends on the firm. Generally, TX is going to be easiest, SF/DC hardest. SV often not that tough. If you're doing well at your firm it all becomes easier. If you're a mediocre associate and they'll be happy to get rid of you at that point anyway...


But if I'm aiming to switch to DC/CA, does it matter much where I start? Would going from TX be harder than going from NY? If the way firm office locations shake out, I also have to lateral, is NY going to make the transition appreciably easier?


Wherever the firm is best. If it's a Texas firm, Texas will be easier to lateral from. DC/CA firms will be more interested in Baker Botts TX than Baker Botts NY.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jun 10, 2014 7:58 pm

A) is it remotely possible to get hired through 3L OCI if you didn't have an SA position during 2L summer?
B) what can I do to maximize my chance of succeeding during 3L OCI?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:59 am

itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:What's the best way to explain a low legal reading/writing grade if asked about it in an interview? I'm top 25% at a T14 but my legal reading/writing grade was my lowest grade both semesters. I honestly didn't put much effort into the class since it was weighted lightly compared to substantive classes, but now I'm worried it might come back to bite me.


Uhh

How badly are we talking here? If it doesn't really affect GPA computation not a huge deal. If it's B- or lower, you should have something handy to prove you can actually write.


I got a B both semesters in LRW, whereas most of my other grades fall in the A/A- category. I'm assuming making a journal would help alleviate any potential concerns interviewers might have?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:A) is it remotely possible to get hired through 3L OCI if you didn't have an SA position during 2L summer?
B) what can I do to maximize my chance of succeeding during 3L OCI?


A) yes. frankly probably not with us absent unusual circumstances but yes.

B) hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Wed Jun 11, 2014 3:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:What's the best way to explain a low legal reading/writing grade if asked about it in an interview? I'm top 25% at a T14 but my legal reading/writing grade was my lowest grade both semesters. I honestly didn't put much effort into the class since it was weighted lightly compared to substantive classes, but now I'm worried it might come back to bite me.


Uhh

How badly are we talking here? If it doesn't really affect GPA computation not a huge deal. If it's B- or lower, you should have something handy to prove you can actually write.


I got a B both semesters in LRW, whereas most of my other grades fall in the A/A- category. I'm assuming making a journal would help alleviate any potential concerns interviewers might have?


Not sure. I don't know how journals are selected. If it's grade on (in whole or in part) doesn't really do anything. I would bring a writing sample or otherwise have something handy.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 13, 2014 11:18 am

Does increase in your class size for a particular year mean you'll go deeper into the class for that year? If so, how much of an effect does it have?

Thanks for doing this.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:40 pm

itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How can someone overcome bottom 25% grades at CCN to crack into the V15? Can it even be done absent some huge mitigating factor?


You never know, maybe Skadden. But best bet is really to go to another firm, do great work, and potentially lateral


Would being a URM change the thinking at all?


yes, dramatically.


Can you go into more detail about this?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:20 pm

itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:How can someone overcome bottom 25% grades at CCN to crack into the V15? Can it even be done absent some huge mitigating factor?


You never know, maybe Skadden. But best bet is really to go to another firm, do great work, and potentially lateral


Would being a URM change the thinking at all?


yes, dramatically.


I asked the original original question at issue here. Now that I'm sure I'm bottom 20-25%, how does being AAm help?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:03 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Does increase in your class size for a particular year mean you'll go deeper into the class for that year? If so, how much of an effect does it have?

Thanks for doing this.


Our GPA cut probably won't change

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Sun Jun 15, 2014 8:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Would being a URM change the thinking at all?


yes, dramatically.


I asked the original original question at issue here. Now that I'm sure I'm bottom 20-25%, how does being AAm help?


The grades necessary to get jobs at many firms (not all) are not the same as an URM as they are otherwise. you may have a chance. talk to friends in the class year ahead, see how they did / where they went

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:03 pm

People have asked me about LA firms - anectdotally, this nails them about as well as I ever could:

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=230991&start=100#p7788269

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:33 pm

Is your firm 100% (offers for summers)? What does it take to get no-offered from a historically 100% firm?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:02 am

Before I click through every page, anyone recall whether D.C. firms were discussed in a way similar to the LA firm link above?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:02 am

Do you even really look at mass mailing applications from lower ranked schools (Think T30-60)? Do you just have a generic grade cutoff of 3-5%?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 22, 2014 2:41 am

itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
itbdvorm wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Would being a URM change the thinking at all?


yes, dramatically.


I asked the original original question at issue here. Now that I'm sure I'm bottom 20-25%, how does being AAm help?


The grades necessary to get jobs at many firms (not all) are not the same as an URM as they are otherwise. you may have a chance. talk to friends in the class year ahead, see how they did / where they went


Does being non-URM Hispanic in a non-obvious way (not able to speak Spanish and looking white) help at all at OCI or attaining diversity positions?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby FredJones » Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:04 am

Anonymous User wrote:Does being non-URM Hispanic in a non-obvious way (not able to speak Spanish and looking white) help at all at OCI or attaining diversity positions?


So you can have the benefit of white privilege and AA? What a class act.

Poster has been revealed for misusing the Anon feature.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:50 am

When you ask if a student has any questions at the end of the interview, are you primarily looking for someone to demonstrate that they understand what the firm does and will commit?

I'm reluctant to ask about how assignments are staffed, or about the format of the summer associate program itself, because those are things I can look up/could be expected to look up.

Is it fair to ask about the interviewer's own reasons for initially choosing the firm, or what surprised them about it after beginning to work there, or their own time at my law school (if they're an alum)? What parts of their background are off-limits, and what would you typically like to talk about, as an interviewer?

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Old Gregg » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:22 am

or their own time at my law school (if they're an alum)?


This is a silly question. Yes, it works conversationally, but it does nothing to advance the purpose of this portion of the interview, which is to learn more about the firm. If someone asked me this question, my reaction would be "who the fuck cares?"

Some questions I like to ask:

1) What were you deciding between when you were choosing firms, and what led you to your choice? (I think you put some version of that above).

2) Why did you choose your practice group?

3) You noticed x, y, z training programs, but how practical/effective/useful are they in reality? What's been your experience with them?

Those three questions, assuming your interviewer doesn't have aspergers (not always a great assumption), should be more than enough to get you through the Q/A portion of the interview. With the organic conversation that can ensue from each of those questions, you probably won't get to ask all three.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:49 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is your firm 100% (offers for summers)? What does it take to get no-offered from a historically 100% firm?


Close enough. Work quality, inappropriate activities, etc.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Do you even really look at mass mailing applications from lower ranked schools (Think T30-60)? Do you just have a generic grade cutoff of 3-5%?


I sure don't, presumably recuriting does.

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby itbdvorm » Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:53 pm

zweitbester wrote:
or their own time at my law school (if they're an alum)?


This is a silly question. Yes, it works conversationally, but it does nothing to advance the purpose of this portion of the interview, which is to learn more about the firm. If someone asked me this question, my reaction would be "who the fuck cares?"

Some questions I like to ask:

1) What were you deciding between when you were choosing firms, and what led you to your choice? (I think you put some version of that above).

2) Why did you choose your practice group?

3) You noticed x, y, z training programs, but how practical/effective/useful are they in reality? What's been your experience with them?

Those three questions, assuming your interviewer doesn't have aspergers (not always a great assumption), should be more than enough to get you through the Q/A portion of the interview. With the organic conversation that can ensue from each of those questions, you probably won't get to ask all three.


A+

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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:04 pm

itbdvorm wrote:
zweitbester wrote:
or their own time at my law school (if they're an alum)?


This is a silly question. Yes, it works conversationally, but it does nothing to advance the purpose of this portion of the interview, which is to learn more about the firm. If someone asked me this question, my reaction would be "who the fuck cares?"

Some questions I like to ask:

1) What were you deciding between when you were choosing firms, and what led you to your choice? (I think you put some version of that above).

2) Why did you choose your practice group?

3) You noticed x, y, z training programs, but how practical/effective/useful are they in reality? What's been your experience with them?

Those three questions, assuming your interviewer doesn't have aspergers (not always a great assumption), should be more than enough to get you through the Q/A portion of the interview. With the organic conversation that can ensue from each of those questions, you probably won't get to ask all three.


A+



Does the advice change if you are interviewing for one specific practice area?




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