no. many are. some are weirdos. all are pretty good on the phone in the respective practice area. many have big flawsroranoa wrote:Are all partners in V15 NYC firms well-rounded, exceptionally smart, and beaming with energy like they do in TV shows? (of course, in your opinion)
(This might sound like a silly question on the surface but I ask this question because I have a certain idea of what attributes makes one partner/survivor at a v15 firm in NYC)
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true-ish.anon168 wrote:Sorry but that's too glib.itbdvorm wrote:corporate by a factor of 1000xAnonymous User wrote:Generally, are the exit options better for litigators or corporate 2-4 years out?
Whether your exit options are "better" vis-a-vis litigation versus corporate depends on what you want to exit to.
If you want to go in-house, for example, then a transactional attorney will have "better" exit options than their litigation counterpart.
On the other hand, if you wanted to work in the public/government sector, your exit options as a transactional attorney are almost nil.
public/government = DA = yes, lit is better
public/government = regulatory practice, working for any number of agencies, working for candidates, etc. = not sure.
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Re: V15 Senior Associate/OCI Interviewer Answering Questions...
Very few, if any, government agencies -- even regulatory ones -- need or use transactional lawyers. Settlement agreements and contract that are negotiated and entered into by Executive Agencies such as DOT or DHS are generally done by litigators. For the life of me, I can't think of any federal (or even state/local) government agency needing a M&A type lawyer.itbdvorm wrote:true-ish.anon168 wrote:Sorry but that's too glib.itbdvorm wrote:corporate by a factor of 1000xAnonymous User wrote:Generally, are the exit options better for litigators or corporate 2-4 years out?
Whether your exit options are "better" vis-a-vis litigation versus corporate depends on what you want to exit to.
If you want to go in-house, for example, then a transactional attorney will have "better" exit options than their litigation counterpart.
On the other hand, if you wanted to work in the public/government sector, your exit options as a transactional attorney are almost nil.
public/government = DA = yes, lit is better
public/government = regulatory practice, working for any number of agencies, working for candidates, etc. = not sure.
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I have a 3.5 at M. Target market = Chicago. If I bid on interviews with firms that are less selective about grades (ones with a median offer GPA at M the last few years around 3.1-3.2) will my higher GPA help me out, or does it not matter once you're above the firm's cutoff?
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What I've been told by a couple hiring partners is that, once you're above the cutoff, a higher GPA only matters insofar as it relates to LR, or things along the line of Stone Fiske scholar.Anonymous User wrote:I have a 3.5 at M. Target market = Chicago. If I bid on interviews with firms that are less selective about grades (ones with a median offer GPA at M the last few years around 3.1-3.2) will my higher GPA help me out, or does it not matter once you're above the firm's cutoff?
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That's what I was thinking. Thanks!Anonymous User wrote:What I've been told by a couple hiring partners is that, once you're above the cutoff, a higher GPA only matters insofar as it relates to LR, or things along the line of Stone Fiske scholar.Anonymous User wrote:I have a 3.5 at M. Target market = Chicago. If I bid on interviews with firms that are less selective about grades (ones with a median offer GPA at M the last few years around 3.1-3.2) will my higher GPA help me out, or does it not matter once you're above the firm's cutoff?
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Do you think the partners look at which schools the associates went to before they hand out work? Say, a Harvard partner trying to avoid the lesser of the T14?
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Again, this is info I've gotten directly from a partner. Once you're in the door, everyone is assumed equal until they prove otherwise. Summer work initially goes to the SA who is next in line, or is in the group and has time to spare. When you start full-time, partners and senior associates have samples of your work product and some first, or second-hand accounts of what working with you was like. They're going to prefer giving their assignments to people who were easy to work with and turned in good work. Once you have work product, it no longer matters if you went to Yale or SMU.roranoa wrote:Do you think the partners look at which schools the associates went to before they hand out work? Say, a Harvard partner trying to avoid the lesser of the T14?
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This is generally correctAnonymous User wrote:Again, this is info I've gotten directly from a partner. Once you're in the door, everyone is assumed equal until they prove otherwise. Summer work initially goes to the SA who is next in line, or is in the group and has time to spare. When you start full-time, partners and senior associates have samples of your work product and some first, or second-hand accounts of what working with you was like. They're going to prefer giving their assignments to people who were easy to work with and turned in good work. Once you have work product, it no longer matters if you went to Yale or SMU.roranoa wrote:Do you think the partners look at which schools the associates went to before they hand out work? Say, a Harvard partner trying to avoid the lesser of the T14?
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OP, are there exceptions you've seen? What kind?itbdvorm wrote:This is generally correctAnonymous User wrote:Again, this is info I've gotten directly from a partner. Once you're in the door, everyone is assumed equal until they prove otherwise. Summer work initially goes to the SA who is next in line, or is in the group and has time to spare. When you start full-time, partners and senior associates have samples of your work product and some first, or second-hand accounts of what working with you was like. They're going to prefer giving their assignments to people who were easy to work with and turned in good work. Once you have work product, it no longer matters if you went to Yale or SMU.roranoa wrote:Do you think the partners look at which schools the associates went to before they hand out work? Say, a Harvard partner trying to avoid the lesser of the T14?
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if you look / dress / act / speak / write in a manner that suggests you're not going to be doing good work, not being from the best of schools will hurt you. the harvard kid can occasionally get away with a few things that the RandomU kid can't. all of this goes away by the time you're a 3rd yearroranoa wrote:OP, are there exceptions you've seen? What kind?itbdvorm wrote:This is generally correctAnonymous User wrote:Again, this is info I've gotten directly from a partner. Once you're in the door, everyone is assumed equal until they prove otherwise. Summer work initially goes to the SA who is next in line, or is in the group and has time to spare. When you start full-time, partners and senior associates have samples of your work product and some first, or second-hand accounts of what working with you was like. They're going to prefer giving their assignments to people who were easy to work with and turned in good work. Once you have work product, it no longer matters if you went to Yale or SMU.roranoa wrote:Do you think the partners look at which schools the associates went to before they hand out work? Say, a Harvard partner trying to avoid the lesser of the T14?
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First of all, thank you for taking questions. I went to lunch yesterday with a corporate (M&A, Capital Markets, Venture Capital) partner at a NLJ 250 firm in San Francisco. One of the questions I asked him was what he found most intellectually challenging and exciting about his work. His response was that it would be a mistake for me to expect interesting, intellectually challenging and varied work, even as a partner. He said 80% of his work is routine and that he often does clerical tasks much like a paralegal. Now, his firm is not strong in corporate work at all. So, I am hoping that his experience isn't representative of what M&A or venture capital work might be like at firms with stronger reputations, either in San Francisco or New York. Any thoughts? Thank you in advance.
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Not OP, but no job is interesting all the time. The balance varies based on actual job/work assignments, and personal preference, but 80% slog is one I've heard many times.europhile wrote:First of all, thank you for taking questions. I went to lunch yesterday with a corporate (M&A, Capital Markets, Venture Capital) partner at a NLJ 250 firm in a San Francisco One of the questions I asked him was what he found most intellectually challenging and exciting about his work. His response was that it would be a mistake for me to expect interesting, intellectually challenging and varied work, even as a partner. He said 80% of his work is routine and that he often does clerical tasks much like a paralegal. Now, his firm is not strong in corporate work at all. So, I am hoping that his experience isn't representative of what M&A or venture capital work might be like at firms with stronger reputations, either in San Francisco or New York. Any thoughts? Thank you in advance.
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Do OCI screeners look for different qualities depending on a firm's focus on litigation vs for example corporate transactions work?
Would outstanding grades in legal reasoning and writing weigh more for a firm whose practice is very focused on litigation?
Thank you also for your great contribution to TLS
Would outstanding grades in legal reasoning and writing weigh more for a firm whose practice is very focused on litigation?
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The clerical part is odd - and not expecting it at all is also odd. Negotiations are certainly interesting, though can be painful as well depending on who's on the other side.Anonymous User wrote:Not OP, but no job is interesting all the time. The balance varies based on actual job/work assignments, and personal preference, but 80% slog is one I've heard many times.europhile wrote:First of all, thank you for taking questions. I went to lunch yesterday with a corporate (M&A, Capital Markets, Venture Capital) partner at a NLJ 250 firm in a San Francisco One of the questions I asked him was what he found most intellectually challenging and exciting about his work. His response was that it would be a mistake for me to expect interesting, intellectually challenging and varied work, even as a partner. He said 80% of his work is routine and that he often does clerical tasks much like a paralegal. Now, his firm is not strong in corporate work at all. So, I am hoping that his experience isn't representative of what M&A or venture capital work might be like at firms with stronger reputations, either in San Francisco or New York. Any thoughts? Thank you in advance.
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I don't know. Isn't that class pass/fail at most top schools?Anonymous User wrote:Do OCI screeners look for different qualities depending on a firm's focus on litigation vs for example corporate transactions work?
Would outstanding grades in legal reasoning and writing weigh more for a firm whose practice is very focused on litigation?
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I know you have already talked slightly about outlier grades and cutoffs, but I have one that's pretty far off, and it makes my GPA slightly lower than the known "preferred" GPA cutoffs for the more-selective firms. You essentially said in your last post that overall GPA is all that matters, but if I'm well above your cutoff without that grade, and slightly below with, can my grades warrant consideration? AKA is this a realistic "reach" or should I avoid bidding these firms at OCI?
I have some connections at these firms I can namedrop in interviews that would likely be willing to put in a good word if asked.
I have some connections at these firms I can namedrop in interviews that would likely be willing to put in a good word if asked.
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I have a follow-up question along the same line.Anonymous User wrote:I know you have already talked slightly about outlier grades and cutoffs, but I have one that's pretty far off, and it makes my GPA slightly lower than the known "preferred" GPA cutoffs for the more-selective firms. You essentially said in your last post that overall GPA is all that matters, but if I'm well above your cutoff without that grade, and slightly below with, can my grades warrant consideration? AKA is this a realistic "reach" or should I avoid bidding these firms at OCI?
I have some connections at these firms I can namedrop in interviews that would likely be willing to put in a good word if asked.
If the candidate shows strong interests in the firm (previously networking meeting with partners/associates) and the candidate has good WE and good interview skills, will your firm ever extend call backs or offers to candidates who don't meet the grade cutoff?
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what do you make of DPW's buyout offers (http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/nationwi ... avis-polk/)?
ominous, or just standard housekeeping?
ominous, or just standard housekeeping?
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a) do not name drop in interviews (other than as part of your response to "why us"). reach out to your connections before the interview and if they are real, they'll put in a good word.Anonymous User wrote:I have a follow-up question along the same line.Anonymous User wrote:I know you have already talked slightly about outlier grades and cutoffs, but I have one that's pretty far off, and it makes my GPA slightly lower than the known "preferred" GPA cutoffs for the more-selective firms. You essentially said in your last post that overall GPA is all that matters, but if I'm well above your cutoff without that grade, and slightly below with, can my grades warrant consideration? AKA is this a realistic "reach" or should I avoid bidding these firms at OCI?
I have some connections at these firms I can namedrop in interviews that would likely be willing to put in a good word if asked.
If the candidate shows strong interests in the firm (previously networking meeting with partners/associates) and the candidate has good WE and good interview skills, will your firm ever extend call backs or offers to candidates who don't meet the grade cutoff?
b) grades are grades.
c) if you are really awesome, it's possible people will go to bat for you if you're a little below. but only you can assess whether or not you're likely to have a chance at being deemed really awesome.
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not shocking. DPW's been taking actions like this for some time now.Anonymous User wrote:what do you make of DPW's buyout offers (http://abovethelaw.com/2013/07/nationwi ... avis-polk/)?
ominous, or just standard housekeeping?
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Is there one question you think interviewees regularly swing and miss on? (What is it?)
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Got a 1L CB with a firm but didn't get the gig. They've since reconnected with me and invited me to dinner during interview week in lieu of a screening interview. What should I expect (i.e., numbers wise, situation wise, their intentions, etc)?
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"why [firm x]?" do your homework. it's not that hard. every firm prides itself on [something]. find out what that is, or a variation on it, and be able to ask a smart questionnothingtosee wrote:Is there one question you think interviewees regularly swing and miss on? (What is it?)
also, "do you have any questions for me?" fantastic way to differentiate yourself / demonstrate you've thought about the firm.
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expect either a direct callback or an offer. but be on your best behavior.Anonymous User wrote:Got a 1L CB with a firm but didn't get the gig. They've since reconnected with me and invited me to dinner during interview week in lieu of a screening interview. What should I expect (i.e., numbers wise, situation wise, their intentions, etc)?
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