I know some firms are like this. Ours isn't.anon168 wrote:Whenever I did OCI, the your grades got you the CB, the screen was just to make sure you could put two words together without swallowing your own tongue.Anonymous User wrote:How much of your decision whether to call someone back is based on the quality of the interview as opposed to a pre-determination based on the students qualification (ie do you have a pretty good idea of who you will be calling back prior to the screener barring an extremely good/bad interview)?
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do your callbacks ASAP.Anonymous User wrote:I've heard that students generally have a 50% chance of getting an offer after going to a callback. Any thoughts on this? Can interviewees greatly improve their chances by scheduling their callbacks as early as possible? I'm in the lower t-14 with callbacks at v50 firms.
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ditto. hugely.anon168 wrote:It's important. Trust me.Anonymous User wrote:As someone who's been in the business for a while, is the whole "culture" thing overblown?
It seems to make sense on the surface, but doesn't it just come down to luck in terms of coming in with the right class of people/getting work from the right partners?
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Bombed an interview with one partner...did your firm just go by majority vote or did partners vote count more or less than associates or legal recruiters?
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There are so many different factors in biglaw success. For example, two people with identical GPAs - one person spent every single waking moment in the library, the other barely studied and just got it. Maybe the first person will be the better hire, because she'll be willing to put in the work necessary. Or maybe the second one will be, because when both are forced to work equally hard she'll perform head and shoulders above.roranoa wrote:OP, you said this way back and I was wondering,Plenty of work, but there are people who frankly aren't any good. "Stealth" vs. "that guy wasn't any good and we had to ease him out" may just depend on viewpoint
Your firm must be selecting people mostly (only?) from T14 schools with decent to good grades and respectable softs, but still find that your selection isn't perfect.
Why do you think that some people who did well in LS don't do well in Biglaw? I understand that LS doesn't really teach you how to do well in Biglaw but then what do you think makes the difference between people who get it and people who don't?
Plus, where do you even learn how to do well in Biglaw?
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All depends on why he/she is going.fumagalli wrote:If you had a nephew/niece considering LS what kind of advice would you give him/her that would allow him/her to make the right choice?
How would someone judge by himself if he/she is cut out for Biglaw?
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I don't buy this one, at least not above the first/second year levelanon168 wrote:I'm not the OP, but from my experience a lot of times it has come down to "fit" -- which is code for you were not kissing the right ass, or if were kissing the right ass, you weren't kissing it often enough. My old firm (V5) left people go over others who had better performance reviews simply because they were not well liked, or were not protected by a powerful partner.roranoa wrote:OP, you said this way back and I was wondering,Plenty of work, but there are people who frankly aren't any good. "Stealth" vs. "that guy wasn't any good and we had to ease him out" may just depend on viewpoint
Your firm must be selecting people mostly (only?) from T14 schools with decent to good grades and respectable softs, but still find that your selection isn't perfect.
Why do you think that some people who did well in LS don't do well in Biglaw? I understand that LS doesn't really teach you how to do well in Biglaw but then what do you think makes the difference between people who get it and people who don't?
Plus, where do you even learn how to do well in Biglaw?
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Also, in response to a PM'd question about relative firm safety from someone who seemed likely to make a very poor choice due to speculation:
While a number of firms out there publicly and openly engaged in headcount reduction during the great recession, don't think for even a moment that even more firms weren't out there finding any excuse to cut people. Literally the only firms out there where I don't have either a confirmed report or a very strong suspicion of cuts occurring are WLRK, MTO and Williams & Connolly. Things were scary a few years back and different firms used different methods to stay competitive. Try to make your choices based upon facts, not rumors/ATL/conjecture
While a number of firms out there publicly and openly engaged in headcount reduction during the great recession, don't think for even a moment that even more firms weren't out there finding any excuse to cut people. Literally the only firms out there where I don't have either a confirmed report or a very strong suspicion of cuts occurring are WLRK, MTO and Williams & Connolly. Things were scary a few years back and different firms used different methods to stay competitive. Try to make your choices based upon facts, not rumors/ATL/conjecture
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Recieved text message (with noise) during screener am I dead
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noAnonymous User wrote:Recieved text message (with noise) during screener am I dead
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Thank you emails -- yes, no, don't care?
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itbdvorm wrote:ditto. hugely.anon168 wrote:It's important. Trust me.Anonymous User wrote:As someone who's been in the business for a while, is the whole "culture" thing overblown?
It seems to make sense on the surface, but doesn't it just come down to luck in terms of coming in with the right class of people/getting work from the right partners?
Original anon following up: how did you guys go about determining culture before picking your firms? I've been doing all the reading and talking to
alums but... They're still starting to run todether
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OP, are you saying that kissing ass is neccessary only for the first one or two years? What becomes more important later on? Can you elaborate?itbdvorm wrote:I don't buy this one, at least not above the first/second year levelanon168 wrote:I'm not the OP, but from my experience a lot of times it has come down to "fit" -- which is code for you were not kissing the right ass, or if were kissing the right ass, you weren't kissing it often enough. My old firm (V5) left people go over others who had better performance reviews simply because they were not well liked, or were not protected by a powerful partner.roranoa wrote:OP, you said this way back and I was wondering,Plenty of work, but there are people who frankly aren't any good. "Stealth" vs. "that guy wasn't any good and we had to ease him out" may just depend on viewpoint
Your firm must be selecting people mostly (only?) from T14 schools with decent to good grades and respectable softs, but still find that your selection isn't perfect.
Why do you think that some people who did well in LS don't do well in Biglaw? I understand that LS doesn't really teach you how to do well in Biglaw but then what do you think makes the difference between people who get it and people who don't?
Plus, where do you even learn how to do well in Biglaw?
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i don't careAnonymous User wrote:Thank you emails -- yes, no, don't care?
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Go on your callbacks. Then go on another set of callbacks. Start narrowing firms down. Then go on post-offer callbacks if need be.Anonymous User wrote:itbdvorm wrote:ditto. hugely.anon168 wrote:It's important. Trust me.Anonymous User wrote:As someone who's been in the business for a while, is the whole "culture" thing overblown?
It seems to make sense on the surface, but doesn't it just come down to luck in terms of coming in with the right class of people/getting work from the right partners?
Original anon following up: how did you guys go about determining culture before picking your firms? I've been doing all the reading and talking to
alums but... They're still starting to run todether
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After a year or two, people's abilities really can be differentiated. Talent wins over ass-kissing in my experience.roranoa wrote:
OP, are you saying that kissing ass is neccessary only for the first one or two years? What becomes more important later on? Can you elaborate?
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Do you have any clue how your firm chooses who to interview from mass mailing?
Is it only for the super gpa superstars?
Is it only for the super gpa superstars?
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Thanks for the reply.itbdvorm wrote:After a year or two, people's abilities really can be differentiated. Talent wins over ass-kissing in my experience.roranoa wrote:
OP, are you saying that kissing ass is neccessary only for the first one or two years? What becomes more important later on? Can you elaborate?
Then going back to my original question, how does one become "good" or "talented" in Biglaw?
Do you think one can prepare and train oneself for it?
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Probably - do you mean non-OCI schools? Really gotta be in top 1-10 (not percent) of your classAnonymous User wrote:Do you have any clue how your firm chooses who to interview from mass mailing?
Is it only for the super gpa superstars?
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Some yes, some no. Attention to detail. Logic. Basic human interactions. Writing ability.roranoa wrote:Thanks for the reply.itbdvorm wrote:After a year or two, people's abilities really can be differentiated. Talent wins over ass-kissing in my experience.roranoa wrote:
OP, are you saying that kissing ass is neccessary only for the first one or two years? What becomes more important later on? Can you elaborate?
Then going back to my original question, how does one become "good" or "talented" in Biglaw?
Do you think one can prepare and train oneself for it?
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I disagree. In fact, I think it's just the opposite.itbdvorm wrote:After a year or two, people's abilities really can be differentiated. Talent wins over ass-kissing in my experience.roranoa wrote:
OP, are you saying that kissing ass is neccessary only for the first one or two years? What becomes more important later on? Can you elaborate?
In life, as you get further along, it's less about what you know and more and more about who you know.
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I agree.itbdvorm wrote:Original anon following up: how did you guys go about determining culture before picking your firms? I've been doing all the reading and talking to
alums but... They're still starting to run todether
Go on your callbacks. Then go on another set of callbacks. Start narrowing firms down. Then go on post-offer callbacks if need be.
I would also add that once you have an offer from a firm, pick up the phone or e-mail the folks you interviewed with and pick their brains a bit more. The conversations at that stage (i.e. once you have an offer) is on a much different level than when you are interviewing.
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For us? Probably, yeah (sorry). In general? Nah. But hustle.Anonymous User wrote:Is a 3.1 from MVP dead in the water?
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I'm not disagreeing with that sentiment. I just think "further along" means partner (or I guess nearly-partner). The less talented guy with amazing client relationships is likely in a better position than the more talented guy who nobody likes. But neither will get there unless they have fundamental skills.anon168 wrote:I disagree. In fact, I think it's just the opposite.itbdvorm wrote:After a year or two, people's abilities really can be differentiated. Talent wins over ass-kissing in my experience.roranoa wrote:
OP, are you saying that kissing ass is neccessary only for the first one or two years? What becomes more important later on? Can you elaborate?
In life, as you get further along, it's less about what you know and more and more about who you know.
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