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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:Who's going to find it helpful that someone who didn't get law review and doesn't have a shit ton of callbacks is jealous? If you don't have something nice to say, shush. This forum is meant for information sharing. That's all. Attacking people who do so just because it makes you feel bad that they did better is small-minded and counterproductive. Why ruin it for everyone else who actually wants to know what's going on? Would you rather people walked around JG bragging about how well they did? If not, please stop whining.

I actually found it interesting to know how others are doing, and it's much better manners to do so on here anonymously than to ask people in person. I didn't get nearly 17 callbacks but I'd rather know how I'm doing than not. If you think it's too competitive to simply take an objective interest in how your performance is, you probably shouldn't be in law school in the first place and it's honestly not surprising that you're not drowning in callbacks. How is getting mad when someone does better than you going to help you or anyone else? At least if I know I'm not on the very top, I'm aware I have room to improve and even more motivated to do so - far better than being in denial and pretending mediocrity makes me a superstar. If knowing you're not the best undermines your confidence that much, you should know that about yourself and stop coming here if you can't deal with it.


first of all, you have no idea who i am, whether i'm on law review, and how many callbacks i have so it's completely unfounded for you to say i'm just being jealous. (and on a side note please don't make assumptions for which you have absolutely no basis by rudely telling me it's not surprising i don't have many callbacks). where hell did you get the basis for everything you just wrote that i'm upset with my own mediocrity? seriously? i'm not attacking people for sharing information, i'm asking them not to brag and make this a competition about who can get the most callbacks, which that person was clearly doing. and of course i don't want people walking around jg bragging. i don't want people bragging anonymously either. there's a huge difference between telling people how you're doing and competing and trying to establish a reason why someone else might have more callbacks than you do when you're already doing better than the majority of cls students (because there must be a reason). if anyone is jealous it's the person wondering why someone has more callbacks than they do. i really don't see how you think getting annoyed that people are bragging is the same thing as getting mad that people are more successful than i am. i'm not in denial nor am i pretending that mediocrity makes me a superstar. maybe the reason you didn't get nearly 17 callbacks is because you make way too many assumptions and claims with nothing to back them up.

stop assuming you know anything about me or that the only possible reason i could be annoyed with someone for bragging is because i can't stand seeing someone else be more successful than i am. i could have 25 callbacks and i still wouldn't appreciate people who are lacking in manners, like you. so like you said, please stop whining. or if you're going to whine, at least have something legitimate to whine about.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:11 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Who's going to find it helpful that someone who didn't get law review and doesn't have a shit ton of callbacks is jealous? If you don't have something nice to say, shush. This forum is meant for information sharing. That's all. Attacking people who do so just because it makes you feel bad that they did better is small-minded and counterproductive. Why ruin it for everyone else who actually wants to know what's going on? Would you rather people walked around JG bragging about how well they did? If not, please stop whining.

I actually found it interesting to know how others are doing, and it's much better manners to do so on here anonymously than to ask people in person. I didn't get nearly 17 callbacks but I'd rather know how I'm doing than not. If you think it's too competitive to simply take an objective interest in how your performance is, you probably shouldn't be in law school in the first place and it's honestly not surprising that you're not drowning in callbacks. How is getting mad when someone does better than you going to help you or anyone else? At least if I know I'm not on the very top, I'm aware I have room to improve and even more motivated to do so - far better than being in denial and pretending mediocrity makes me a superstar. If knowing you're not the best undermines your confidence that much, you should know that about yourself and stop coming here if you can't deal with it.


first of all, you have no idea who i am, whether i'm on law review, and how many callbacks i have so it's completely unfounded for you to say i'm just being jealous. (and on a side note please don't make assumptions for which you have absolutely no basis by rudely telling me it's not surprising i don't have many callbacks). where hell did you get the basis for everything you just wrote that i'm upset with my own mediocrity? seriously? i'm not attacking people for sharing information, i'm asking them not to brag and make this a competition about who can get the most callbacks, which that person was clearly doing. and of course i don't want people walking around jg bragging. i don't want people bragging anonymously either. there's a huge difference between telling people how you're doing and competing and trying to establish a reason why someone else might have more callbacks than you do when you're already doing better than the majority of cls students (because there must be a reason). if anyone is jealous it's the person wondering why someone has more callbacks than they do. i really don't see how you think getting annoyed that people are bragging is the same thing as getting mad that people are more successful than i am. i'm not in denial nor am i pretending that mediocrity makes me a superstar. maybe the reason you didn't get nearly 17 callbacks is because you make way too many assumptions and claims with nothing to back them up.

stop assuming you know anything about me or that the only possible reason i could be annoyed with someone for bragging is because i can't stand seeing someone else be more successful than i am. i could have 25 callbacks and i still wouldn't appreciate people who are lacking in manners, like you. so like you said, please stop whining. or if you're going to whine, at least have something legitimate to whine about.



listen I'm not the OP but I have to respond to this little soliloquy

This is the INTERNET. Stop whining about people acting like douches. Guess what? Most people are douches who like nothing more than to brag when they can do anonymously.

I personally don't care if there are people on here posting about how they're getting callbacks out the ass. I just think that getting emotional over it is a waste of time. The fact you diverged this thread that was mostly productive to your little pity-party over people bragging about their callbacks tell us alot about your character and who you are. You may say that the previous poster is making alot of assumptions about you being a jealous mediocre student, however, those assumptions are based on your behavior which points toward a person who is bitter.

Lets get this thread back to being a productive source for determining callbacks and offers rather than it turning into a manual on proper manners during OCI.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:25 am

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Anonymous User wrote:Who's going to find it helpful that someone who didn't get law review and doesn't have a shit ton of callbacks is jealous? If you don't have something nice to say, shush. This forum is meant for information sharing. That's all. Attacking people who do so just because it makes you feel bad that they did better is small-minded and counterproductive. Why ruin it for everyone else who actually wants to know what's going on? Would you rather people walked around JG bragging about how well they did? If not, please stop whining.

I actually found it interesting to know how others are doing, and it's much better manners to do so on here anonymously than to ask people in person. I didn't get nearly 17 callbacks but I'd rather know how I'm doing than not. If you think it's too competitive to simply take an objective interest in how your performance is, you probably shouldn't be in law school in the first place and it's honestly not surprising that you're not drowning in callbacks. How is getting mad when someone does better than you going to help you or anyone else? At least if I know I'm not on the very top, I'm aware I have room to improve and even more motivated to do so - far better than being in denial and pretending mediocrity makes me a superstar. If knowing you're not the best undermines your confidence that much, you should know that about yourself and stop coming here if you can't deal with it.


first of all, you have no idea who i am, whether i'm on law review, and how many callbacks i have so it's completely unfounded for you to say i'm just being jealous. (and on a side note please don't make assumptions for which you have absolutely no basis by rudely telling me it's not surprising i don't have many callbacks). where hell did you get the basis for everything you just wrote that i'm upset with my own mediocrity? seriously? i'm not attacking people for sharing information, i'm asking them not to brag and make this a competition about who can get the most callbacks, which that person was clearly doing. and of course i don't want people walking around jg bragging. i don't want people bragging anonymously either. there's a huge difference between telling people how you're doing and competing and trying to establish a reason why someone else might have more callbacks than you do when you're already doing better than the majority of cls students (because there must be a reason). if anyone is jealous it's the person wondering why someone has more callbacks than they do. i really don't see how you think getting annoyed that people are bragging is the same thing as getting mad that people are more successful than i am. i'm not in denial nor am i pretending that mediocrity makes me a superstar. maybe the reason you didn't get nearly 17 callbacks is because you make way too many assumptions and claims with nothing to back them up.

stop assuming you know anything about me or that the only possible reason i could be annoyed with someone for bragging is because i can't stand seeing someone else be more successful than i am. i could have 25 callbacks and i still wouldn't appreciate people who are lacking in manners, like you. so like you said, please stop whining. or if you're going to whine, at least have something legitimate to whine about.



listen I'm not the OP but I have to respond to this little soliloquy

This is the INTERNET. Stop whining about people acting like douches. Guess what? Most people are douches who like nothing more than to brag when they can do anonymously.

I personally don't care if there are people on here posting about how they're getting callbacks out the ass. I just think that getting emotional over it is a waste of time. The fact you diverged this thread that was mostly productive to your little pity-party over people bragging about their callbacks tell us alot about your character and who you are. You may say that the previous poster is making alot of assumptions about you being a jealous mediocre student, however, those assumptions are based on your behavior which points toward a person who is bitter.

Lets get this thread back to being a productive source for determining callbacks and offers rather than it turning into a manual on proper manners during OCI.


seriously, this is in no way a pity party and the fact that i don't like people acting like douches says absolutely nothing about my character or my supposed mediocrity. i'm not the one who diverged this thread. i certainly didn't get "emotional". i was one of several people who were unhappy about the douchebaggery going on and to say it's only because i'm jealous and mediocre is ridiculous, and the fact that i take issue with that assumption hardly confirms that i am in fact jealous and mediocre.

but you're right this should be more productive. since according to people on this thread only jealous and mediocre people can be bothered by douches i'll look for decent and reasonable people elsewhere.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:40 am

So apparently I'm one of the "jealous" people who criticized others for using this forum to brag. I also happen to be on LR and got double digit callbacks. But I never posted about it, until now, to prove a point that this isn't about jealousy. Myself and others use this forum for helpful information, and I sincerely believe that some people only post so that they can boast about their successes. That's not what this is for. But if you are one of the "boasters" and had no such intent, I sincerely apologize.

PLEASE let's get this forum back on track. No more speeches, criticism or other not useful commentary. I won't even complain about LR kids anymore.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:46 am

I agree let's get this back on track.

On that note: I was thinking that it's probably now a safe assumption that if we have not heard from somewhere yet we are not getting a callback (or at least a first-round callback as opposed to one off the hold pile). Does that make sense?

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 11:54 am

Anonymous User wrote:I agree let's get this back on track.

On that note: I was thinking that it's probably now a safe assumption that if we have not heard from somewhere yet we are not getting a callback (or at least a first-round callback as opposed to one off the hold pile). Does that make sense?


only when it comes to NY firms

I know some DC firms (those that ask for references or writing samples) haven't called anyone back yet.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:19 pm

I got a v50 NYC callback yesterday. Not comfortable sharing more, but I interviewed on Monday with them.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:22 pm

Any thoughts on Skadden? Last year they called back 28% and of those CBs offered a little over 60% spots. Anyone have any reason to believe their approach has changed?

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:24 pm

hey mang, last year it was ire directed at transfers, this year it's ire directed at the kent/stone kiddies. it must just be all the excess anxiety finding nonconstructive ways of expressing itself.

anyway, i'm pretty much assuming that any firms i haven't heard from are dings. (only interviewed with ny.) i'm lucky in that i have a good number of callbacks though.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:33 pm

For what it's worth, I got a CB this morning from Ropes (NY) despite interviewing Monday and despite reports all over this forum saying all of Ropes' callbacks were done days ago. I had totally written them off and assumed I was dinged.

I guess the lesson is that until they say "no" they haven't said no.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:53 pm

snail mail rejections from Davis Polk and Paul Weiss today

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:14 pm

Did anyone get an offer from the Cravath interview today??? I know some people got offers on the spot last week. I, of course, did not get one today. I am hoping it's just different for Saturday callbacks.


(also posted in CLS offer thread)

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:17 pm

What is the proper etiquette for cancelling a callback? I wrote a thank-you email to the interviewer after I got the call and would feel bad just contacting recruiting.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:34 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What is the proper etiquette for cancelling a callback? I wrote a thank-you email to the interviewer after I got the call and would feel bad just contacting recruiting.



Theyre very accustomed to having people cancel callbacks. It's business. No reason to feel bad. They're not losing anything.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:35 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:What is the proper etiquette for cancelling a callback? I wrote a thank-you email to the interviewer after I got the call and would feel bad just contacting recruiting.


Theyre very accustomed to having people cancel callbacks. It's business. No reason to feel bad. They're not losing anything.


So just sending an email to recruiting on a saturday afternoon is ok?

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:38 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:What is the proper etiquette for cancelling a callback? I wrote a thank-you email to the interviewer after I got the call and would feel bad just contacting recruiting.


Theyre very accustomed to having people cancel callbacks. It's business. No reason to feel bad. They're not losing anything.


So just sending an email to recruiting on a saturday afternoon is ok?



Yes. As long as you are polite, it will be fine.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Did anyone get an offer from the Cravath interview today??? I know some people got offers on the spot last week. I, of course, did not get one today. I am hoping it's just different for Saturday callbacks.


(also posted in CLS offer thread)



I interviewed at Cravath today and did not get an offer- they said we should know by early next week. It seemed to me like they weren't giving offers on the spot and a couple people who interviewed last Friday reported getting offers on Monday so that seems consistent.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:51 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Did anyone get an offer from the Cravath interview today??? I know some people got offers on the spot last week. I, of course, did not get one today. I am hoping it's just different for Saturday callbacks.


(also posted in CLS offer thread)



I interviewed at Cravath today and did not get an offer- they said we should know by early next week. It seemed to me like they weren't giving offers on the spot and a couple people who interviewed last Friday reported getting offers on Monday so that seems consistent.



I hope that's the case. However, I know people who interviewed yesterday and received an offer before they left the building.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:12 pm

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I interviewed at Cravath today and did not get an offer- they said we should know by early next week. It seemed to me like they weren't giving offers on the spot and a couple people who interviewed last Friday reported getting offers on Monday so that seems consistent.



I hope that's the case. However, I know people who interviewed yesterday and received an offer before they left the building.


Based on last year, looks like people would sometimes get it the next business day and other times get it same day. Who knows, but fingers crossed for everyone :)

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:18 pm

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I interviewed at Cravath today and did not get an offer- they said we should know by early next week. It seemed to me like they weren't giving offers on the spot and a couple people who interviewed last Friday reported getting offers on Monday so that seems consistent.



I hope that's the case. However, I know people who interviewed yesterday and received an offer before they left the building.


Based on last year, looks like people would sometimes get it the next business day and other times get it same day. Who knows, but fingers crossed for everyone :)



Yeah but if anyone got one today, what Cravath told me is BS. That's what I would like to know.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:44 pm

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Anonymous User wrote:
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I interviewed at Cravath today and did not get an offer- they said we should know by early next week. It seemed to me like they weren't giving offers on the spot and a couple people who interviewed last Friday reported getting offers on Monday so that seems consistent.



I hope that's the case. However, I know people who interviewed yesterday and received an offer before they left the building.


Based on last year, looks like people would sometimes get it the next business day and other times get it same day. Who knows, but fingers crossed for everyone :)



Yeah but if anyone got one today, what Cravath told me is BS. That's what I would like to know.


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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:39 pm

are callback interviews harder than screening interviews? did anyone get hard questions during a callback interview?

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:are callback interviews harder than screening interviews? did anyone get hard questions during a callback interview?



I always think the hardest question is "So, do you have any questions?" But, I have found CBs are just about the same as screeners but a little longer.

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:11 pm

This was asked a few pages ago, but does anyone know if Schulte has a dinner every year and, if so, when they send out information about it?

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Re: CLS EIP 2011

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:04 pm

anyone heard from K&L gates or seward & kissel?




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