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Anonymous User wrote:When people post that they have high honors, LR, and are hearing back from every V20 firm they applied to, they are doing a lot more harm than good for people reading this forum that aren't having such a breeze through the EIP process. I realize you're excited about your success (and you should be! you've accomplished a lot. congrats on that). But let's put this all in some perspective.
Remember that these are callbacks, not offers. EIP to this point has been screening interviews. That means you're being let through the door, but not invited to stay. It's a lot easier to get through the door based solely on credentials, but there's a lot more than that going in to permanent offers.
For those with lower numbers and fewer callbacks, take some heart. Getting callbacks despite having less competitive numbers means that you've already given them a reason beyond your grades to hire you. A lot of breezers can't say the same. Since callback success is based heavily on additional factors like personal appeal and firm fit, you've already demonstrated a level of fit that made them want you even though your grades aren't the bee's knees. That means that even though your callback ratio might be low, your odds of getting an offer are probably relatively high.
The thing we should all be worried about is finding a firm where we'll be happy and that fits us as people. BigLaw is miserable for so many people because so many of us get caught up in rankings and prestige and forget that we should be working in places where we'll be happy. I got callbacks from a few highly-rated firms that had reasons to call me back (based on interest, demeanor, and background). Other highly rated firms and a lot of lower-rated firms dinged me quickly because they weren't for me and I wasn't for them. My perspective is this: a ding from a firm I don't really want to work for is just as good as an offer from a firm I don't really want to work for (unless I'm left with no other option). We aren't in this to stroke our egos, we're here to find jobs (hopefully the right ones).
But that's just my two cents. Good luck to all of us with callbacks, regardless of whether we're batting .100 or 1.000.
This is amazing. I wish we weren't posting anonymously so I could hug you. Thank you for providing perspective in a thread that has turned into a forum for comparing stats and shouting about 100% callback rates (which--congrats--but really you should be out relaxing/preparing and not bragging in an online forum). I think you're right about mid-range firms, they have been silent for the most part.
Sending positive vibes to my friends out there who aren't non-stop talking about v10 - good luck!
Seconded. Wonderful post. Sincerely - thank you.
To add some more words of hope for those that have not yet heard back nor received an outright rejection--the "hold list" is a very real possibility. Many "medium ranked" firms know that they called back a good deal of people who are "overqualified" and who may not ultimately accept a callback. For example, I bid extremely conservatively because I was terrified of striking out and have no idea how much the job market has actually recovered. Fortunately for me, I ended up doing a lot better than I thought and received callbacks to quite a few of my reaches. I scheduled these reaches immediately so I will be hearing back from them long before I do all my callbacks at some of my "target" and "safety" firms. If I were to get an offer at a reach, I'd immediately cancel quite a few of my other callbacks--freeing up a lot of spots for people on the hold list at those firms to potentially receive a late callback. There are many others in the same position as me. I think the majority of students this year bid conservatively, and that translated into fierce competition at the v30-v100 firms. So if you are someone still waiting to hear back from these firms, there's a *very* real possibility that once others get their top offers and start cancelling, many more spots will open up.
Just hang in there and stay positive. Do the best you can with what you've got so far, but don't think that just because many callbacks were given immediately, that more won't still come in the next few weeks. Columbia has the advantage of doing this process very early compared to some other schools, so employers have many opportunities to take a second look at the individuals they met during our EIP as they progress through the recruiting season.