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Tanicius
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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Tanicius » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:02 pm

Veyron wrote:
Tanicius wrote:I made a mistake, but you've posted already so I'll just note it here. It's 2010 NLJ250 data, not 2009. And yes, it's 45%. Are you seriously suggesting ~20% of Boalt rising 2L's land 2L SA's through OCI, but ~45% of graduates have those same kinds of jobs after graduation?


Those numbers lag the current hiring market by several years bro. Do your research next time before investing 200k into something.


The c/o 2010 was one of the hardest hit. They did OCI during the beginning period of the economic recession. As to your second statement, not that it matters but I chose Boalt for reasons having nothing to do with biglaw.
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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby bilbobaggins » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:02 pm

Veyron wrote:
Read your own sentence. Career services said...was only going to deliver.... That's not actually what happened. They played it very conservatively because they wanted people to get jobs and not to put all of their eggs in the OCI basket. What actually happened is more like the 50% that OCI stats actually showed.

Now, should I make up some bullshit about Penn? Or should I only stick topics where I have a fucking clue?[/quote]

Link to 50% placement thru OCI?[/quote]

You didn't answer either of my questions.

You also repeat the same old canard about Boalt not being able to place outside of CA. Of course, this is a pretty simple logical fallacy where you assume cause based on what you're seeing. You see a low number of Boalt grads in certain markets and so you assume the cause is that it's hard for Boalt grads to get into those markets. What I see (as a 3L at Boalt) is that very few people apply for jobs in those markets and the majority of individuals who apply for those jobs end up getting them. During last year's OCI it was much easier for a Boalt 2L to get callbacks and offers from firms not in SF and LA than it was to get an offer from either market.

Here's a link to the earlier discussion: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=157037&start=175

I'm not going to post OCI data online, but what's discussed there is accurate based on what I've seen.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Veyron » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:03 pm

Tanicius wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Tanicius wrote:I made a mistake, but you've posted already so I'll just note it here. It's 2010 NLJ250 data, not 2009. And yes, it's 45%. Are you seriously suggesting ~20% of Boalt rising 2L's land 2L SA's through OCI, but ~45% of graduates have those same kinds of jobs after graduation?


Those numbers lag the current hiring market by several years bro. Do your research next time before investing 200k into something.


The c/o 2010 was one of the hardest hit. They did OCI during the beginning period of the economic recession.


Ummmm, no, this is just wrong. CO 2011 was the lost generation. c/o 2010 had start dates deferred but still got offers.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Rock-N-Roll » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:20 pm

Veyron wrote:
Tanicius wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Tanicius wrote:I made a mistake, but you've posted already so I'll just note it here. It's 2010 NLJ250 data, not 2009. And yes, it's 45%. Are you seriously suggesting ~20% of Boalt rising 2L's land 2L SA's through OCI, but ~45% of graduates have those same kinds of jobs after graduation?


Those numbers lag the current hiring market by several years bro. Do your research next time before investing 200k into something.


The c/o 2010 was one of the hardest hit. They did OCI during the beginning period of the economic recession.


Ummmm, no, this is just wrong. CO 2011 was the lost generation. c/o 2010 had start dates deferred but still got offers.


Look, as much as it must pain you, the rest of the world considers B and P as peers. You're free to make arguments that they shouldn't be but in this instance the data that you brought was totally unfounded regardless of wether you heard it from a Boalt grad or not.

FWIW to you, I personally wanted to be at B in large part because I believe that it selects and attracts a unique, interesting, and accomplished student body which I wanted to be a part of.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Veyron » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:20 pm

Look, as much as it must pain you, the rest of the world considers B and P as peers. You can make arguments that they shouldn't be but in this instance the data that you brought was totally unfounded regardless of wether you heard it from a Boalt grad or not.

FWIW to you, I personally wanted to be at B in large part because I believe that it selects and attracts a unique, interesting, and accomplished student body which I wanted to be a part of.


Good for you. This has nothing to do with the numbers. I understand that it must be embarrassing to be caught making such a simple mistake about the dates that different numbers were compiled, why don't you go along and play like a good little 0L.
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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:21 pm

Veyron wrote:
Read your own sentence. Career services said...was only going to deliver.... That's not actually what happened. They played it very conservatively because they wanted people to get jobs and not to put all of their eggs in the OCI basket. What actually happened is more like the 50% that OCI stats actually showed.

Now, should I make up some bullshit about Penn? Or should I only stick topics where I have a fucking clue?[/quote]

Link to 50% placement thru OCI?[/quote]

Link to Penn's 70% placement through OCI?

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Veyron » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:22 pm

rayiner wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Read your own sentence. Career services said...was only going to deliver.... That's not actually what happened. They played it very conservatively because they wanted people to get jobs and not to put all of their eggs in the OCI basket. What actually happened is more like the 50% that OCI stats actually showed.

Now, should I make up some bullshit about Penn? Or should I only stick topics where I have a fucking clue?


Link to 50% placement thru OCI?[/quote]

Link to Penn's 70% placement through OCI?[/quote]

Absolutely no data to confirm this. I only know what last year's firm placement rate was overall. See also, best guess.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:24 pm

Veyron wrote:
rayiner wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Read your own sentence. Career services said...was only going to deliver.... That's not actually what happened. They played it very conservatively because they wanted people to get jobs and not to put all of their eggs in the OCI basket. What actually happened is more like the 50% that OCI stats actually showed.

Now, should I make up some bullshit about Penn? Or should I only stick topics where I have a fucking clue?


Link to 50% placement thru OCI?


Link to Penn's 70% placement through OCI?[/quote]

Absolutely no data to confirm this.[/quote]

Right. We're all operating off rumor and innuendo from OCS. Keep that in mind.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Veyron » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:27 pm

[/quote]

Right. We're all operating off rumor and innuendo from OCS. Keep that in mind.[/quote]


I do. But the Penn and UVA 3Ls I've spoken too give much more positive reports than the Bolties.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Rock-N-Roll » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:28 pm

Veyron wrote:
Look, as much as it must pain you, the rest of the world considers B and P as peers. You can make arguments that they shouldn't be but in this instance the data that you brought was totally unfounded regardless of wether you heard it from a Boalt grad or not.

FWIW to you, I personally wanted to be at B in large part because I believe that it selects and attracts a unique, interesting, and accomplished student body which I wanted to be a part of.


Good for you. This has nothing to do with the numbers. I understand that it must be embarrassing to be caught making such a simple mistake about the dates that different numbers were compiled, why don't you go along and play like a good little 0L.


Wait. What am I supposed to be embarrassed about now?

And by saying I should go along and play are you trying to say or imply that you absolutely know more about Boalt than I do because you are currently a student at Penn? If so, how does that make any sense?

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:28 pm

Veyron wrote:I do. But the Penn and UVA 3Ls I've spoken too give much more positive reports than the Bolties.


And from that you draw the conclusion that 20% of Berkeley got offers out of OCI?

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Veyron » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:29 pm

Rock-N-Roll wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Look, as much as it must pain you, the rest of the world considers B and P as peers. You can make arguments that they shouldn't be but in this instance the data that you brought was totally unfounded regardless of wether you heard it from a Boalt grad or not.

FWIW to you, I personally wanted to be at B in large part because I believe that it selects and attracts a unique, interesting, and accomplished student body which I wanted to be a part of.


Good for you. This has nothing to do with the numbers. I understand that it must be embarrassing to be caught making such a simple mistake about the dates that different numbers were compiled, why don't you go along and play like a good little 0L.


Wait. What am I supposed to be embarrassed about now?

And by saying I should go along and play are you trying to say or imply that you absolutely know more about Boalt than I do because you are currently a student at Penn? If so, how does that make any sense?


Its that you didn't know that the NLJ 250 numbers lag hiring or that the CO 2011 was the hardest hit and has not yet been reflected in the #s. Got that? Goooood. Heres a wittle treat :mrgreen: .

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Tanicius » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:30 pm

rayiner wrote:
Veyron wrote:I do. But the Penn and UVA 3Ls I've spoken too give much more positive reports than the Bolties.


And from that you draw the conclusion that 20% of Berkeley got offers out of OCI?


Dude he heard it from a gal who heard it from OCS. It's a more reliable method than hearing from OCS directly.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Rock-N-Roll » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:34 pm

Veyron wrote:
Rock-N-Roll wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Look, as much as it must pain you, the rest of the world considers B and P as peers. You can make arguments that they shouldn't be but in this instance the data that you brought was totally unfounded regardless of wether you heard it from a Boalt grad or not.

FWIW to you, I personally wanted to be at B in large part because I believe that it selects and attracts a unique, interesting, and accomplished student body which I wanted to be a part of.


Good for you. This has nothing to do with the numbers. I understand that it must be embarrassing to be caught making such a simple mistake about the dates that different numbers were compiled, why don't you go along and play like a good little 0L.


Wait. What am I supposed to be embarrassed about now?

And by saying I should go along and play are you trying to say or imply that you absolutely know more about Boalt than I do because you are currently a student at Penn? If so, how does that make any sense?


Its that you didn't know that the NLJ 250 numbers lag hiring or that the CO 2011 was the hardest hit and has not yet been reflected in the #s. Got that? Goooood. Heres a wittle treat :mrgreen: .


Uch. It would seem that you've gone a bit into dickish-mode now. You must have got the Boalt posters confused. I did not make any claims about NLJ250 numbers in this thread.

I like Boalt. I think it's a good place. endofthreadforme/

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Veyron » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:35 pm

You must have got the Boalt posters confused. I did not make any claims about NLJ250 numbers in this thread.

I like Boalt. I think it's a good place. endofthreadforme/


Sorry, all you hippies look the same.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:37 pm

wow this Penn guy is a douche

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby fish52 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:38 pm

Veyron wrote:
Absolutely no data to confirm this. I only know what last year's firm placement rate was overall. See also, best guess.

There truth is that you have no idea. Period.

The only data we have is the latest NLJ250 report which shows Class of 2010 at Berkeley and Class of 2010 at Penn placing nearly identically. And all of the data shows that Berkeley has a MUCH higher self-selection of PI grads than Penn, so the difference is objectively negligible. We also have a poster in another thread alleging hard-data (though it isn't public) showing about 133 Boalties finding something at OCI last fall, which translates into roughly 60% of 2010 OCI participants (+/- 5%).

You have no evidence to show that Berkeley did any worse than the rest of MVP. I know you take this dick measuring contest personally, but Berkeley Law and Penn Law are peers, trading places in the rankings every year. (Further, outside of the law school, Berkeley blows Penn out of the water by every ranking service in the world except the undergrad USNWR rankings.) You have this chip on your shoulder where you have to continually trash Berkeley Law. It's pathetic.
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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby ClarDarr » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:38 pm

Dear thread that might have been useful,

Sorry things didn't pan out.

Yours,
People Interested in MVPB BigLaw

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby fish52 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:46 pm

ClarDarr wrote:Dear thread that might have been useful,

Sorry things didn't pan out.

Yours,
People Interested in MVPB BigLaw

Getting back to the question from OP.... the percentages given (namely that continued gradual drop-off) are ridiculous. The lower half of the T10 is looking at 40%-60% out of OCI. All of this is speculation though, as these data aren't public. Rumor is that Michigan was hurt at OCI because of bidding strategies involving Chicago, and Boalt was hurt because the CA market continues to suffer and many OCI participants bid heavily on CA. Whether any of this is true, we won't know for a while.

Point: Stay above median and you have a good shot at OCI with MVPB.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Veyron » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:wow this Penn guy is a douche


Not knowing that I'm a douche and abuse of the Anon feature, must be new here.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby GMVarun » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:59 pm

fish52 wrote:Rumor is that Michigan was hurt at OCI because of bidding strategies involving Chicago


This was two years ago, and not last year. I have no idea what the actual percentage of people it was, but from most people it seems current rising 3Ls as a whole did better than recent graduating class.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby fish52 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:07 pm

GMVarun wrote:
fish52 wrote:Rumor is that Michigan was hurt at OCI because of bidding strategies involving Chicago


This was two years ago, and not last year. I have no idea what the actual percentage of people it was, but from most people it seems current rising 3Ls as a whole did better than recent graduating class.

Thanks for the correction. If they did better that's great news.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby marija » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:40 pm

Veyron wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:wow this Penn guy is a douche


Not knowing that I'm a douche and abuse of the Anon feature, must be new here.


Dear TLS world,

Not everyone at Penn sucks like this guy.

- Penn student

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby Veyron » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:45 pm

marija wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:wow this Penn guy is a douche


Not knowing that I'm a douche and abuse of the Anon feature, must be new here.


Dear TLS world,

Not everyone at Penn sucks like this guy.

- Penn student


No, but most people at Penn are at least willing to put up with me, which is why I love it.

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Re: MVPB BigLaw

Postby marija » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:48 pm

Veyron wrote:
marija wrote:
Veyron wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:wow this Penn guy is a douche


Not knowing that I'm a douche and abuse of the Anon feature, must be new here.


Dear TLS world,

Not everyone at Penn sucks like this guy.

- Penn student


No, but most people at Penn are at least willing to put up with me, which is why I love it.


I really wish I remembered you who are. Somebody told me once, but I can't remember.




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