Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

(On Campus Interviews, Summer Associate positions, Firm Reviews, Tips, ...)
Forum rules
Anonymous Posting

Anonymous posting is only appropriate when you are revealing sensitive employment related information about a firm, job, etc. You may anonymously respond on topic to these threads. Unacceptable uses include: harassing another user, joking around, testing the feature, or other things that are more appropriate in the lounge.

Failure to follow these rules will get you outed, warned, or banned.
DC1L
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:04 pm

Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby DC1L » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:16 am

Do firms come to schools for 1Ls anymore in this economy? Or is it very exclusive?

random5483
Posts: 684
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:17 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby random5483 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:19 am

OCI for 1Ls? You talking about the 2L OCI (summer before second year or fall of second year) or the tiny spring OCI schools have? Some firms come for Spring OCI, but none of the big ones for Summer Associate positions. Most of the better schools have many big firms come to the 2L OCI.

DC1L
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:04 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby DC1L » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:23 am

random5483 wrote:OCI for 1Ls? You talking about the 2L OCI (summer before second year or fall of second year) or the tiny spring OCI schools have?


Yes I meant the summer before 2L.

User avatar
Kilpatrick
Posts: 1073
Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:06 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Kilpatrick » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:26 am

I wouldn't count on anything from any spring OCI your school might have. T14s might have more opportunities but at my T25 1l OCI was pretty anemic and only a handful of people got jobs out of it.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273560
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:32 am

Kilpatrick wrote:I wouldn't count on anything from any spring OCI your school might have. T14s might have more opportunities but at my T25 1l OCI was pretty anemic and only a handful of people got jobs out of it.


T10 above top 10%, got my 1L SA this way. From what I've seen, getting the callback is almost exclusively grade-dependent.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273560
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:49 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:I wouldn't count on anything from any spring OCI your school might have. T14s might have more opportunities but at my T25 1l OCI was pretty anemic and only a handful of people got jobs out of it.


T10 above top 10%, got my 1L SA this way. From what I've seen, getting the callback is almost exclusively grade-dependent.


At the time of 1L OCI at my T10, I had a 3.9, and did not get interviews with any of the three firms on which I bid.

09042014
Posts: 18282
Joined: Wed Oct 14, 2009 10:47 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby 09042014 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:56 am

DC1L wrote:
random5483 wrote:OCI for 1Ls? You talking about the 2L OCI (summer before second year or fall of second year) or the tiny spring OCI schools have?


Yes I meant the summer before 2L.


Yes there are OCI's still.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273560
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:02 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:I wouldn't count on anything from any spring OCI your school might have. T14s might have more opportunities but at my T25 1l OCI was pretty anemic and only a handful of people got jobs out of it.


T10 above top 10%, got my 1L SA this way. From what I've seen, getting the callback is almost exclusively grade-dependent.


At the time of 1L OCI at my T10, I had a 3.9, and did not get interviews with any of the three firms on which I bid.


4.0+, 3 short screening interviews and 3 callbacks.. I just figured it was my grades. OP, 1L OCI's still exist, but they are definitely a crapshoot (as evidenced here).

Anonymous User
Posts: 273560
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:07 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:I wouldn't count on anything from any spring OCI your school might have. T14s might have more opportunities but at my T25 1l OCI was pretty anemic and only a handful of people got jobs out of it.


T10 above top 10%, got my 1L SA this way. From what I've seen, getting the callback is almost exclusively grade-dependent.


At the time of 1L OCI at my T10, I had a 3.9, and did not get interviews with any of the three firms on which I bid.


4.0+, 3 short screening interviews and 3 callbacks.. I just figured it was my grades. OP, 1L OCI's still exist, but they are definitely a crapshoot (as evidenced here).


They probably interviewed one person each, and they took you over me. Damn you!

splitmuch
Posts: 968
Joined: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:27 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby splitmuch » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:10 am

I've also been led to believe that URMs have a bit more opportunity for 1L SAs.

Aston2412
Posts: 466
Joined: Wed Apr 21, 2010 11:23 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Aston2412 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:42 am

splitmuch wrote:I've also been led to believe that URMs have a bit more opportunity for 1L SAs.


Several firms have 1L summer diversity programs.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273560
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:49 am

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Kilpatrick wrote:I wouldn't count on anything from any spring OCI your school might have. T14s might have more opportunities but at my T25 1l OCI was pretty anemic and only a handful of people got jobs out of it.


T10 above top 10%, got my 1L SA this way. From what I've seen, getting the callback is almost exclusively grade-dependent.


At the time of 1L OCI at my T10, I had a 3.9, and did not get interviews with any of the three firms on which I bid.


At the time of 1L OCI at my T10, I had median grades, got 3 firm interviews and 1 callback. Sounds like you're at the wrong T10.

DC1L
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:04 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby DC1L » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:06 pm

URMs get a leg up in OCI too?!

User avatar
D-hops
Posts: 688
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:48 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby D-hops » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:15 pm

DC1L wrote:URMs get a leg up in OCI too?!


Yes, particularly in 1L "OCI" or more accurately a job search because firms have diversity scholarships that come with a 1L SA position. Any boost in 2L OCI hiring is much more muted and it is not anywhere near the Law School URM Bump.

Anonymous User
Posts: 273560
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:42 pm

The easiest way to get a 1L SA will be in your home market.

DC1L
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:04 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby DC1L » Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:54 pm

What is "SA" ?

User avatar
Kilpatrick
Posts: 1073
Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:06 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Kilpatrick » Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:20 pm

Summer associate. 1l SA at a big firm is pretty difficult to get at any school, but outside of the T14 its basically impossible unless URM. You'll be able to get a legal job your 1l summer pretty easily, just don't count on a big firm and don't count on 1l OCI

DC1L
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:04 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby DC1L » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:34 am

Do SA's generally get paid?

User avatar
Kilpatrick
Posts: 1073
Joined: Sun Dec 06, 2009 2:06 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Kilpatrick » Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:38 am

Yeah, if you're one of the very few people who lands a 1l SA at a big firm you get paid the same salary as the 2l SAs. Not sure how much you get paid at a smaller firm because I don't know anyone working for a small firm. I know a total of two people with 1l SAs (both through diversity programs) and everyone else I know is unpaid or poorly paid.

ETA: This is at a non-T14 school. YMMV

DC1L
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:04 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby DC1L » Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:16 pm

Kilpatrick wrote:Yeah, if you're one of the very few people who lands a 1l SA at a big firm you get paid the same salary as the 2l SAs. Not sure how much you get paid at a smaller firm because I don't know anyone working for a small firm. I know a total of two people with 1l SAs (both through diversity programs) and everyone else I know is unpaid or poorly paid.

ETA: This is at a non-T14 school. YMMV


What kind of URMs are they?

Thanks for all your help

Anonymous User
Posts: 273560
Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jul 27, 2011 8:19 pm

T30 here, non-URM

I did 1L OCI, 7 interviews, 2 callbacks and 1 offer at a big firm. Usually a 1L SA get paid less than a 2L SA (though not much less).

My gpa was 3.9, and the firm was in my home market. I think both gpa and home market played a big role.

DC1L
Posts: 36
Joined: Wed Apr 20, 2011 4:04 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby DC1L » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:28 pm

Do you think any large NYC firms will be at American University's Washington College of Law for 1L OCI?

User avatar
ndirish2010
Posts: 2951
Joined: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:41 pm

Re: Do OCI for 1Ls exist in this economy?

Postby ndirish2010 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 9:31 pm

DC1L wrote:Do you think any large NYC firms will be at American University's Washington College of Law for 1L OCI?


Retake and reapply.




Return to “Legal Employment”

Who is online

The online users are hidden on this forum.