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Big Law: Getting a job

Postby JSC4 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:08 am

After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Veyron » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:54 am

JSC4 wrote:After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks


Indeed, there ARE several jobs out there.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby pasteurizedmilk » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:22 am

JSC4 wrote:After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks

Median at CCN should be fine.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:25 am

pasteurizedmilk wrote:
JSC4 wrote:After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks

Median at CCN should be fine.

Rising 3L at N-

Public interest focused so didn't do EIW but many friends in the middle third struck out last year.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby ndirish2010 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:20 am

WTF, OP? Is this thread serious? Search function?

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby thecilent » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:30 am

Anonymous User wrote:
pasteurizedmilk wrote:
JSC4 wrote:After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks

Median at CCN should be fine.

Rising 3L at N-

Public interest focused so didn't do EIW but many friends in the middle third struck out last year.

You're saying many friends near median struck out doing EIW?

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:31 am

thecilent wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
pasteurizedmilk wrote:
JSC4 wrote:After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks

Median at CCN should be fine.

Rising 3L at N-

Public interest focused so didn't do EIW but many friends in the middle third struck out last year.

You're saying many friends near median struck out doing EIW?

Yes.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby thesealocust » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:37 am

Anonymous User wrote:
thecilent wrote:You're saying many friends near median struck out doing EIW?

Yes.


Same was true last year at my school (Virginia).

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Cavalier » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:40 am

You mean not everyone at a T10 law school is guaranteed a big law job anymore? That's preposterous!

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby thesealocust » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:41 am

Cavalier wrote:You mean not everyone at a T10 law school is guaranteed a big law job anymore? That's preposterous!


Hey the economy's a little better now, maybe they will be this year?

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby thecilent » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:44 am

Anonymous User wrote:Yes.

Well fuck me, then.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:44 am

Cavalier wrote:You mean not everyone at a T10 law school is guaranteed a big law job anymore? That's preposterous!

I didn't say it was unexpected. I was just responding to the post that said median is fine.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby thecilent » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:45 am

Cavalier wrote:You mean not everyone at a T10 law school is guaranteed a big law job anymore? That's preposterous!

Um. That's not the same as "many median people at T6 didn't land biglaw."

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:48 am

thecilent wrote:
Cavalier wrote:You mean not everyone at a T10 law school is guaranteed a big law job anymore? That's preposterous!

Um. That's not the same as "many median people at T6 didn't land biglaw."

Also, this.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby timbs4339 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:05 pm

pasteurizedmilk wrote:
JSC4 wrote:After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks

Median at CCN should be fine.


Median at CCN, struck out at OCI, checking in here.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby thecilent » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:08 pm

timbs4339 wrote:
pasteurizedmilk wrote:
JSC4 wrote:After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks

Median at CCN should be fine.


Median at CCN, struck out at OCI, checking in here.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:17 pm

So how did top 1/3+ fare at MVP and CCN then?

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby timbs4339 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:43 pm

thecilent wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:
pasteurizedmilk wrote:
JSC4 wrote:After reading about so many people not being able to find a coveted Big Law job, I was wondering how difficult the process really is.

I mean coming from CCN around the median, how difficult is it to actually get a Big Law job. I imagine there are several jobs out there since there are so many big law firms.

Thanks

Median at CCN should be fine.


Median at CCN, struck out at OCI, checking in here.


Do you think the chances of striking out at OCI at NYU are much different from OCI at Chicago or CLS? Or Mich, Virginia or Penn for that matter?

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby zanda » Sun Jul 24, 2011 12:57 pm

timbs4339 wrote:
thecilent wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:
pasteurizedmilk wrote:Median at CCN should be fine.


Median at CCN, struck out at OCI, checking in here.


Do you think the chances of striking out at OCI at NYU are much different from OCI at Chicago or CLS? Or Mich, Virginia or Penn for that matter?

I think the poster's point was that at NYU the major firm-hiring is done at EIW, not OCI, which features government employers and smaller firms. I will say however that I've seen NYUers refer to EIW as OCI for the sake of clarity or (on the flip side) ambiguity.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby timbs4339 » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:00 pm

zanda wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:
thecilent wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:


Do you think the chances of striking out at OCI at NYU are much different from OCI at Chicago or CLS? Or Mich, Virginia or Penn for that matter?

I think the poster's point was that at NYU the major firm-hiring is done at EIW, not OCI, which features government employers and smaller firms. I will say however that I've seen NYUers refer to EIW as OCI for the sake of clarity or (on the flip side) ambiguity.


That clarifies things. I usually just use OCI to mean "all campus interview fairs."

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby rayiner » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:19 pm

Stats say that last year 70% of students participating in EIW got something at both CLS and NYU. The thing is outside top 30% or so (say Stone at CLS), and above the very bottom of the class, grades don't matter much. Firms aren't making fine distinctions among top 40% and top 55%. So the 30% of people who don't get jobs aren't all bottom 30%. They're spread out through the class.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Veyron » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:26 pm

^ Yes, if this recruiting season is teaching me anything its that grades do not matter nearly as much as advertised. Outside of the top and bottom, its all on you.

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:31 pm

Is top 25% enough to distinguish someone?

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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Veyron » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:32 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Is top 25% enough to distinguish someone?


T-10? Yes. I know its pretty hard not to get a BIGjob if you rock top 1/3 at Penn.
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Re: Big Law: Getting a job

Postby Renzo » Sun Jul 24, 2011 1:32 pm

rayiner wrote:Stats say that last year 70% of students participating in EIW got something at both CLS and NYU. The thing is outside top 30% or so (say Stone at CLS), and above the very bottom of the class, grades don't matter much. Firms aren't making fine distinctions among top 40% and top 55%. So the 30% of people who don't get jobs aren't all bottom 30%. They're spread out through the class.



This exactly. Top third at CCN is a near-guraantee (although you could still fuck it up); beyond that, grades are one of many factors. For example, 100% of the people I personally know who struck out had median-ish grades, but no work experience; while people with interesting resumes all got jobs, regardless of grades.




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