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 Post subject: Associate Hours Worked Field - NALP
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:52 am 
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So, I noticed that there is a field in the NALP directory called "Average annual associate hours worked". It seems like many firms don't have an entry populated in this field, but the ones which do have an amount which is lower than what I'd expect. For example, here is the data from Cadwalader's NYC form:

Average annual associate hours worked: 2090 (2009) 2055 (2010)
Average annual associate billable hours: 1900 (2009) 1866 (2010)

There are two things which seem odd. First, billable hours make up over 90% of "hours worked", which seems like an impossible ratio. Second, roughly 2100 hours worked comes out to under 45 hours a week, with 4 weeks vacation. I am sure no one at Cadwalader is working under 45 hours a week on average. Does anyone know how they calculate this? It is just hours spent physically in the office, where most associates are spending another 10-15 hours a week working at home?


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 Post subject: Re: Associate Hours Worked Field - NALP
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Anonymous User wrote:
So, I noticed that there is a field in the NALP directory called "Average annual associate hours worked". It seems like many firms don't have an entry populated in this field, but the ones which do have an amount which is lower than what I'd expect. For example, here is the data from Cadwalader's NYC form:

Average annual associate hours worked: 2090 (2009) 2055 (2010)
Average annual associate billable hours: 1900 (2009) 1866 (2010)

There are two things which seem odd. First, billable hours make up over 90% of "hours worked", which seems like an impossible ratio. Second, roughly 2100 hours worked comes out to under 45 hours a week, with 4 weeks vacation. I am sure no one at Cadwalader is working under 45 hours a week on average. Does anyone know how they calculate this? It is just hours spent physically in the office, where most associates are spending another 10-15 hours a week working at home?



Another related question. On Cadwalader's and many other firms they have a average annual billable hours and a required billable hours. The average is often less than the required. Does this mean that, on average, associates don't make minimum billable hours? Or do the averages include part-time employees which may explain why hour worked is so low.


Average annual associate billable hours: 1900 (2009) 1866 (2010)
Is there a minimum billable hour expectation? Y
If "Yes", number: 2000


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 Post subject: Re: Associate Hours Worked Field - NALP
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Breaking news: Law firms lie; stretch truth when beneficial. More at 11.


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 Post subject: Re: Associate Hours Worked Field - NALP
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thesealocust wrote:
Breaking news: Law firms lie; stretch truth when beneficial. More at 11.


If this were true, firms would indicate that the average associate meets billable hours requirements though.


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 Post subject: Re: Associate Hours Worked Field - NALP
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Unitas wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
Breaking news: Law firms lie; stretch truth when beneficial. More at 11.


If this were true, firms would indicate that the average associate meets billable hours requirements though.


I'll mention that the next time I'm working with a Cadwalader attorney past midnight on a weeknight.


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 Post subject: Re: Associate Hours Worked Field - NALP
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thesealocust wrote:
Unitas wrote:
thesealocust wrote:
Breaking news: Law firms lie; stretch truth when beneficial. More at 11.


If this were true, firms would indicate that the average associate meets billable hours requirements though.


I'll mention that the next time I'm working with a Cadwalader attorney past midnight on a weeknight.


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 Post subject: Re: Associate Hours Worked Field - NALP
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My guess is that "hours worked" actually comes from the associates' billables before any time was written off, and is the sum of that time plus pro bono, administration, etc. The actual number of hours the associates worked is probably quite a bit higher.


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