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Bronte
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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby Bronte » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:45 pm

I give OP props at least for starting with some hilarious stories before transitioning into outright trolling. Frankly, I think the no preaching comedy routine is a better sell. Most posters are already exposed to the basic law school scam rant.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby porgie » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:49 pm

robotclubmember wrote:Interest on student loans is deductible from adjusted gross income, even on top of the standard deduction. there is your tax alleviation.

Are you saying that this already exists or that it should exist? Because I thought that only $2500 of interest on student loans is deductible, not the whole amount.....

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby tyro » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:20 pm

robotclubmember wrote:reality =/= 160K median 98% employed. but law schools continue to sell this lie as a part of their pyramid scam.


Well I think one reason (so I've heard) for these inaccurate employment statistics is that the survey procedure in itself may cause a bias in that people who did really well in their class might be more likely to take the survey. On the other hand, as the argument goes, those who were extremely displeased with their law education or employment results may also feel an urge to take such surveys. This is the "two extremes" bias that we see all the time with product reviews. But why aren't the people who are displeased/shitlaw dragging the stats down to accurate levels?

Just wondering what people think. I'm not sure if the survey method is actually how the majority of these schools collect employment stats so I could be wrong.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby Julio_El_Chavo » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:57 pm

Hyperbole aside, it's still kind of shocking how many T10 class of '10 law grads are unemployed.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby crossarmant » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:33 pm

Julio_El_Chavo wrote:Hyperbole aside, it's still kind of shocking how many T10 class of '10 law grads are unemployed.


Hell, according to this USNews article, for even bachelors recipients of 2010, the unemployment rate is 44%:

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/student-loan-ranger/2011/06/22/congress-proposes-relief-for-student-loan-borrowers

It's a depression, people. Everyone is hurting and struggling to find employment, not just freshly minted JDs. Just how it is.

If you want to really make a difference, troll CollegeConfidential and yell at high school kids going into college for English or Philosophy. They're just as likely to accrue loans and even more likely to only find work folding clothes at the GAP.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby robotclubmember » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:48 pm

crossarmant wrote:
Julio_El_Chavo wrote:Hyperbole aside, it's still kind of shocking how many T10 class of '10 law grads are unemployed.


Hell, according to this USNews article, for even bachelors recipients of 2010, the unemployment rate is 44%:

http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/student-loan-ranger/2011/06/22/congress-proposes-relief-for-student-loan-borrowers

It's a depression, people. Everyone is hurting and struggling to find employment, not just freshly minted JDs. Just how it is.

If you want to really make a difference, troll CollegeConfidential and yell at high school kids going into college for English or Philosophy. They're just as likely to accrue loans and even more likely to only find work folding clothes at the GAP.


There's a difference between 4 years and 7 years of tuition. and college tuition has only inflated 91% from 1989 to 2009, whereas law school tuition has inflated 317%. law school is far more expensive. and there is a lot of personal growth for getting a degree, and it is shown that those with college degrees may start the same as those without but statistically end up much higher and it does pay off in the end, even if not in the first couple years. people going to law school almost always do it solely to learn a very niche area of knowledge and get a job.

i think it's a false analogy on a lot of levels, but that's just my view. even if it were a valid analogy it doesn't invalidate anything that's been said here. but this is not just the results of the depression and even the ABA acknowledges that.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby Bronx Bum » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:57 pm

LOL at this "doom and gloom" poaster. If you go to a non-accredited law school you are screwed but MOST accredited law universities you will be fine. Law school is a rewarding experience and you will find a high paying job eventually. You can easily get a good job form big-law eventually if you miss in OCI.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby Verity » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:58 pm

Bronx Bum wrote:LOL at this "doom and gloom" poaster. If you go to a non-accredited law school you are screwed but MOST accredited law universities you will be fine. Law school is a rewarding experience and you will find a high paying job eventually. You can easily get a good job form big-law eventually if you miss in OCI.


YAY!

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby robotclubmember » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:03 am

Bronx Bum wrote:LOL at this "doom and gloom" poaster. If you go to a non-accredited law school you are screwed but MOST accredited law universities you will be fine. Law school is a rewarding experience and you will find a high paying job eventually. You can easily get a good job form big-law eventually if you miss in OCI.


hahahahaha i love you man

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby billyez » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:09 am

Bronte wrote:I give OP props at least for starting with some hilarious stories before transitioning into outright trolling. Frankly, I think the no preaching comedy routine is a better sell. Most posters are already exposed to the basic law school scam rant.


This. Everyone knows how bad it is - but the stories that the OP told at least granted insight into the madness, rather than just spouting off the same things we can pick up in any ITE thread.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby fanmingrui » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:43 am

Bronx Bum wrote:LOL at this "doom and gloom" poaster. If you go to a non-accredited law school you are screwed but MOST accredited law universities you will be fine. Law school is a rewarding experience and you will find a high paying job eventually. You can easily get a good job form big-law eventually if you miss in OCI.

You sound a lot like red_alertz...

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby ndirish2010 » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:29 am

Bronx Bum wrote:LOL at this "doom and gloom" poaster. If you go to a non-accredited law school you are screwed but MOST accredited law universities you will be fine. Law school is a rewarding experience and you will find a high paying job eventually. You can easily get a good job form big-law eventually if you miss in OCI.


This is probably bad enough to be banned. There are 0Ls reading this shit.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby romothesavior » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:02 am

Bronx Bum wrote:LOL at this "doom and gloom" poaster. If you go to a non-accredited law school you are screwed but MOST accredited law universities you will be fine. Law school is a rewarding experience and you will find a high paying job eventually. You can easily get a good job form big-law eventually if you miss in OCI.

Posts like this make me appreciate posts like the OPs.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby legalresearch » Wed Jul 20, 2011 2:27 am

Cavalier wrote:I don't like this thread so I'm going to think about models and bottles.

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This is why I'm Big Law or bust! Screw government work after law school.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby bjsesq » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:17 am

romothesavior wrote:
Bronx Bum wrote:LOL at this "doom and gloom" poaster. If you go to a non-accredited law school you are screwed but MOST accredited law universities you will be fine. Law school is a rewarding experience and you will find a high paying job eventually. You can easily get a good job form big-law eventually if you miss in OCI.

Posts like this make me appreciate posts like the OPs.


Yeah. Running the gamut of retard itt.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby HarveyBirdman » Wed Jul 20, 2011 12:42 pm

Government labor laws prevent firms from hiring attorneys at no salary...well let me ask, bathed in naivety, how unpaid internships are then legal, and how such a position with a firm could be classified as an unpaid internship. I also don't see how the statement "the government is excluded from its own rules" makes any sense at all. But I'm here to learn.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby gwuorbust » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:00 pm

HarveyBirdman wrote:Government labor laws prevent firms from hiring attorneys at no salary...well let me ask, bathed in naivety, how unpaid internships are then legal, and how such a position with a firm could be classified as an unpaid internship. I also don't see how the statement "the government is excluded from its own rules" makes any sense at all. But I'm here to learn.


1. Government are exempt. NGOs can have as many unpaid 'volunteers' as they want.

2. unpaid internships at for-profit organizations are legal IF they follow the guidelines set forth by the department of labor. One of those requirements is that the organization not profit off the intern. If they are using interns as a substitute for paid employees, that is illegal.

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Wed Jul 20, 2011 1:17 pm

dresden doll wrote:
areyouinsane wrote:
Making loans dischargeable is only going to lead to a terrible string of bankruptcies hurting everyone because every 24 year old Tom, Dick, and Harry would rather try and build credit back up than pay $200k. Also, making it more difficult for students to get financing for school automatically favors those from wealthier backgrounds even more than academia already does.


How about make one forfeit their professional license in exchange for the discharge? I'd take that deal in a minute (as would many TTT grads). Or how about clawing back some of the discharged $$$ from the schools? That way, if a large portion of a schools grads defaulted, it would put the school out of business. Clawback is used all the time in other Ponzi scheme disasters, so why not law schools too?


I'd support a clawback solution.


+1

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Re: LOL at "government" work

Postby tyro » Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:50 pm

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