Just below median at Chicago

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:17 am

Anonymous User wrote:I don't want to be rude, but OP, why are you freaking out about the 176.9?

The median probably wont be a 177, it may even be a 176.8 for all you know.

<3Ls feel free to correct the information below>

The "median" to employers, from what I understand is 176-178.5. Basically, a few firms actually care about grade cut-offs. Everyone else wants the grade-on kids, but will settle for the average w/good w/e, social skills, connection, etc. They only shoot down the people with very low grades. The bottom 15% of firms at OCI will take anything that fits and will probably take the bottom 15% people.

I mean, lets be straight. There are a few people who grade on. Everything between a 176 and a 178.5 is luck.

I studied 3 hours for elements and read and got a 182. I studied for years for property and got a 173 after hitting all of the major issues and even turning to another student before the test (who got a 182) and quoting to him exactly what the fact pattern would address. I guess my property teacher didn't like the fact that I didn't write well or something.

Everyone is like you. I have a friend who got a 173 in Epstein who knew the material cold and got all of the issues. I went to class 75% of the time, and never, ever read, missed Erie and like three other MAJOR issues, and got a 177 because I studied one minor rule that dominated the first of the three questions on the fact pattern.

Everyone has been through law school, they know at top 5 schools there are very, very few x-boxers or lazy dumb people. They also probably graduated during the boom and were medianish themselves.

Median= Not bombing tests like crazy, or ending up in the top 15%.

Job therefore= Being more special than the rest of the medianish 80% in at least one interview and call-back (work experience, write-on, physical attractiveness, interview skills, bidding strategy, luck, being well-dressed, interesting hobby, having an easy home market, better economy, not bad social skills, etc.)

Oh, and to also justify the use of the Anon feature, don't apply to Lockelord in Texas, they are bleeding jobs but still hiring and cycling through quickly from what I hear.


Wow this post is harsh but effective. More median ppl need to read this.

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby TaipeiMort » Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:57 pm

So was the consensus above to include your resume on mass mailings?

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby Emma. » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:01 pm

TaipeiMort wrote:So was the consensus above to include your resume on mass mailings?


Resume, transcript, cover letter.

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby TaipeiMort » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:25 pm

Emma. wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:So was the consensus above to include your resume on mass mailings?


Resume, transcript, cover letter.


Thanks. I meant GPA on resume for mass mailings.

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby dresden doll » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:32 pm

TaipeiMort wrote:
Emma. wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:So was the consensus above to include your resume on mass mailings?


Resume, transcript, cover letter.


Thanks. I meant GPA on resume for mass mailings.


I'd include it if it's something you think will prevent the app from being summarily thrown in the trash.

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby TaipeiMort » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:34 pm

dresden doll wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:
Emma. wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:So was the consensus above to include your resume on mass mailings?


Resume, transcript, cover letter.


Thanks. I meant GPA on resume for mass mailings.


I'd include it if it's something you think will prevent the app from being summarily thrown in the trash.


Dooes everyone know our grading system? Or is it more if we don't include it people will think we are hiding it. Is above median enough to prevent trashing?

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby dresden doll » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:42 pm

TaipeiMort wrote:
Dooes everyone know our grading system? Or is it more if we don't include it people will think we are hiding it. Is above median enough to prevent trashing?


It isn't customary to include GPA so no one is going to read into a decision not to put it on your resume.

I honestly don't know if being above median would help significantly. I'd be inclined to include 179+, personally, but probably not anything below that.

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:55 pm

dresden doll wrote:
TaipeiMort wrote:
Dooes everyone know our grading system? Or is it more if we don't include it people will think we are hiding it. Is above median enough to prevent trashing?


It isn't customary to include GPA so no one is going to read into a decision not to put it on your resume.

I honestly don't know if being above median would help significantly. I'd be inclined to include 179+, personally, but probably not anything below that.

What are your thoughts about GPA on the resume for OCI? Do you think most people left it off last year?

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby Anonymous User » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:20 pm

There is a dude at my firm who swears he was below median at UChicago. He like makes it a thing to talk about how even though he was below median he's all around awesome cause he managed to get a SA offer here. The dude is socially retarded as fuck though, which I hear is pretty common at Chicago, although the other SA from Chicago is pretty hot.

I guess this means you should be fine if you are below median at UChicago and you are all around awesome...

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby scat_cat » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:46 pm

You guys, I really wouldn't put my GPA on anything. It looks lame if you're < 178; it looks egotistical if it's over 180; it's superfluous if you're in between. OCS tells you not to do it, so doing it draws attention to yourself. I especially wouldn't include it if, like OP, you've got one awful grade and a bunch of above median ones. A glance at your resume will leave a vaguely positive impression that you don't want to contradict.

Basically, at OCI, the people interviewing you will be able to eyeball your transcript. Outside of OCI, it's less likely to matter and nobody will know what the numbers mean anyway. Better to send them to the transcript, where at least there's a key of sorts.

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby California Babe » Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:56 pm

scat_cat wrote:You guys, I really wouldn't put my GPA on anything. It looks lame if you're < 178; it looks egotistical if it's over 180; it's superfluous if you're in between. OCS tells you not to do it, so doing it draws attention to yourself. I especially wouldn't include it if, like OP, you've got one awful grade and a bunch of above median ones. A glance at your resume will leave a vaguely positive impression that you don't want to contradict.

Basically, at OCI, the people interviewing you will be able to eyeball your transcript. Outside of OCI, it's less likely to matter and nobody will know what the numbers mean anyway. Better to send them to the transcript, where at least there's a key of sorts.


If I had a GPA 179+ and was mass mailing - especially to a small market - I'd include it. A firm will see the graduation rates on the transcript and be able to quickly eyeball where you fall rather than just see a bunch of grades. A firm won't know what the numbers mean, except they known a 179+ means about 19%, 180.5 is about 4%, etc. How would that not help?

Now I wish I had a 179+...

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby dresden doll » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:05 pm

Anonymous User wrote:What are your thoughts about GPA on the resume for OCI? Do you think most people left it off last year?

Yes, I imagine most everyone left it off. Not sure about the utility of putting it on, frankly, since virtually all firms will require a transcript anyway.

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby pehaigllleises » Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:54 pm

For mailings, where you don't have their attention, I'd put it on. For OCI I don't think it matters too much one way or the other--you have their attention.

Though, one of the hiring committee co-chair partners at my firm told me that, for callbacks, they remove your GPA if it's listed on your resume. The reason is because he said that some interviewers were grade-sensitive and would consistently give higher ratings to individuals with better grades. They want the hiring committee to worry about grades, and just want the callback interviewers to determine fit, so they remove the GPA. ---> Some screeners may be grade sensitive, and may rate you higher if you did well ---> you may get more callbacks.

I would put anything 178+, to be honest. No reason to be so hard on yourself, that's a good GPA.

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Re: Just below median at Chicago

Postby JollyGreenGiant » Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:17 pm

pehaigllleises wrote:For mailings, where you don't have their attention, I'd put it on. For OCI I don't think it matters too much one way or the other--you have their attention.


I agree with this. I'm most certainly putting it on there for mass mailings... but probably not for OCI. I think the less you stand out in a way that could be construed as negative, the better.




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