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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby timbs4339 » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:46 am

GAIAtheCHEERLEADER wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:i think we should distinguish wlrk's 1l program from their actual 2l summer program. i know they regularly take below median urms for the former, but participants arent allowed to even interview for the 2l program.

one of my good friends last year (aa male) here at hls had 8 hs and got an offer from w&c but not wachtell.


Wait, really?

I thought those lucky enough to work at Wachtell for 1L summer are not given offers, but we're still considered for a 2L SA?

Regardless of whether they are or not, having Wachtell on your resume for OCI is a big plus and will certainly help in landing a callback with other elite firms.


I know my friend was offered a 2L position after 1L SA but turned it down to work for another firm. Still has an offer to come back after graduation though.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:58 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true. :lol:

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby anteater85 » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:03 pm

I know that Asians Americans do not count as URM for law schools, but do they get a boost in OCI/firm hiring for firms that look for "diversity?" Does this depend on region?

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:04 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true. :lol:


Have you seen the hard data? Idk about T20, but for my T10, I have seen and talked to people with sub-3.0 gpas get firm jobs.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby 2011Cycle » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:05 pm

anteater85 wrote:I know that Asians Americans do not count as URM for law schools, but do they get a boost in OCI/firm hiring for firms that look for "diversity?" Does this depend on region?


No, it does not depend on region. The attached links support my comment.
http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTA ... 2494725139
http://betterlegalprofession.org/

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Thu Jul 07, 2011 7:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true. :lol:


Have you seen the hard data? Idk about T20, but for my T10, I have seen and talked to people with sub-3.0 gpas get firm jobs.


Well this is comforting! Apparently sometimes being discriminated against does pay dividends...

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Grizz » Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:08 pm

2011Cycle wrote:
anteater85 wrote:I know that Asians Americans do not count as URM for law schools, but do they get a boost in OCI/firm hiring for firms that look for "diversity?" Does this depend on region?


No, it does not depend on region. The attached links support my comment.
http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTA ... 2494725139
http://betterlegalprofession.org/

I never thought of myself as a minority but I'm just gonna own it now.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:00 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true. :lol:


Have you seen the hard data? Idk about T20, but for my T10, I have seen and talked to people with sub-3.0 gpas get firm jobs.

this was rare at the best of times and, in my experience, dried up completely for the classes of 11 and 12. By firm jobs do you just mean any job at any firm?

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true. :lol:


Have you seen the hard data? Idk about T20, but for my T10, I have seen and talked to people with sub-3.0 gpas get firm jobs.

this was rare at the best of times and, in my experience, dried up completely for the classes of 11 and 12. By firm jobs do you just mean any job at any firm?


firms

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:41 am

WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:52 am

Anonymous User wrote:WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?


gonna bump this...very interested as well.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Grizz » Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:09 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?


gonna bump this...very interested as well.

General rule is that interviewing at the job fair won't make you competitive if you weren't before, but more interviews is always a good things. You van use the fairs to supplement your OCI; more looks is always better.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:25 pm

rad law wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?


gonna bump this...very interested as well.

I got 0 callbacks with a 3.xx as an African-American student at a T1.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:28 pm

It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
rad law wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?


gonna bump this...very interested as well.

I got 0 callbacks with a 3.xx as an African-American student at a T1.


Hardly tells us anything...too broad for anyone to judge.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby baboon309 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:02 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
rad law wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?


gonna bump this...very interested as well.

I got 0 callbacks with a 3.xx as an African-American student at a T1.


0 out of how many?

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:10 pm

baboon309 wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:I got 0 callbacks with a 3.xx as an African-American student at a T1.


0 out of how many?

7 or 8 iirc

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.




Just to clarify. What would be considered a secondary market???

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Moxie » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:19 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.




Just to clarify. What would be considered a secondary market???


Not DC, NYC, Chicago, or LA.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:29 pm

Anonymous User wrote:It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

Are you speaking from first-hand experience ITE?

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:45 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

Are you speaking from first-hand experience ITE?


First hand experience, as in talking to upperclassman and cso at my t14 school.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:47 pm

ALSO, how are people identifying themselves as URM candidates during OCI? Are you putting it in your cover letters or what? There is no real chance to do it otherwise. I wove mine into a cover letter just because I couldn't think of another way to get it out there. Anyone?

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:50 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

Are you speaking from first-hand experience ITE?


First hand experience, as in talking to upperclassman and cso at my t14 school.

Opposite experience at mine but maybe you're in a higher T14 tier.

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby D-hops » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:ALSO, how are people identifying themselves as URM candidates during OCI? Are you putting it in your cover letters or what? There is no real chance to do it otherwise. I wove mine into a cover letter just because I couldn't think of another way to get it out there. Anyone?


Membership or leadership positions in a diverse student group (e.g. BLSA)

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Re: URMs & Firm Employment

Postby de5igual » Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:55 pm

Anonymous User wrote:ALSO, how are people identifying themselves as URM candidates during OCI? Are you putting it in your cover letters or what? There is no real chance to do it otherwise. I wove mine into a cover letter just because I couldn't think of another way to get it out there. Anyone?


Any URM or other minority with enough foresight would have joined one of the diversity organizations




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