URMs & Firm Employment Forum

[timbs4339]

i think we should distinguish wlrk's 1l program from their actual 2l summer program. i know they regularly take below median urms for the former, but participants arent allowed to even interview for the 2l program.

one of my good friends last year (aa male) here at hls had 8 hs and got an offer from w&c but not wachtell.

Wait, really?

I thought those lucky enough to work at Wachtell for 1L summer are not given offers, but we're still considered for a 2L SA?

Regardless of whether they are or not, having Wachtell on your resume for OCI is a big plus and will certainly help in landing a callback with other elite firms.

I know my friend was offered a 2L position after 1L SA but turned it down to work for another firm. Still has an offer to come back after graduation though.

[Anonymous User]

Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true.

[anteater85]

I know that Asians Americans do not count as URM for law schools, but do they get a boost in OCI/firm hiring for firms that look for "diversity?" Does this depend on region?

[Anonymous User]

Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true.

Have you seen the hard data? Idk about T20, but for my T10, I have seen and talked to people with sub-3.0 gpas get firm jobs.

[2011Cycle]

I know that Asians Americans do not count as URM for law schools, but do they get a boost in OCI/firm hiring for firms that look for "diversity?" Does this depend on region?

No, it does not depend on region. The attached links support my comment.
http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTA ... 2494725139
http://betterlegalprofession.org/

[Anonymous User]

Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true.

Have you seen the hard data? Idk about T20, but for my T10, I have seen and talked to people with sub-3.0 gpas get firm jobs.

Well this is comforting! Apparently sometimes being discriminated against does pay dividends...

[Grizz]

I know that Asians Americans do not count as URM for law schools, but do they get a boost in OCI/firm hiring for firms that look for "diversity?" Does this depend on region?

No, it does not depend on region. The attached links support my comment.
http://www.law.com/jsp/tal/PubArticleTA ... 2494725139
http://betterlegalprofession.org/

I never thought of myself as a minority but I'm just gonna own it now.

[Anonymous User]

Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true.

Have you seen the hard data? Idk about T20, but for my T10, I have seen and talked to people with sub-3.0 gpas get firm jobs.

this was rare at the best of times and, in my experience, dried up completely for the classes of 11 and 12. By firm jobs do you just mean any job at any firm?

[Anonymous User]

Know peeps at my T10 who were bottom 10% get hired at NJL 250s. Same with those with the top of the class. Depends on factors, how you interview, how you bid, etc.

I wish it were proportional so that T20 could be bottom 20% . . . a nice thought until you realize it isn't true.

Have you seen the hard data? Idk about T20, but for my T10, I have seen and talked to people with sub-3.0 gpas get firm jobs.

this was rare at the best of times and, in my experience, dried up completely for the classes of 11 and 12. By firm jobs do you just mean any job at any firm?

firms

[Anonymous User]

WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?

[Anonymous User]

WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?

gonna bump this...very interested as well.

[Grizz]

WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?

gonna bump this...very interested as well.

General rule is that interviewing at the job fair won't make you competitive if you weren't before, but more interviews is always a good things. You van use the fairs to supplement your OCI; more looks is always better.

[Anonymous User]

WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?

gonna bump this...very interested as well.

I got 0 callbacks with a 3.xx as an African-American student at a T1.

[Anonymous User]

It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

[Anonymous User]

WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?

gonna bump this...very interested as well.

I got 0 callbacks with a 3.xx as an African-American student at a T1.

Hardly tells us anything...too broad for anyone to judge.

[baboon309]

WHAT ABOUT at the diversity career fairs? Some of them make the GPA only a 2.5 as the min and get all the large firms to interview anyway. Any people done through these with sub-median/sub-3.0 grades and had success?

gonna bump this...very interested as well.

I got 0 callbacks with a 3.xx as an African-American student at a T1.

0 out of how many?

[Anonymous User]

I got 0 callbacks with a 3.xx as an African-American student at a T1.

0 out of how many?

7 or 8 iirc

[Anonymous User]

It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

Just to clarify. What would be considered a secondary market???

[Moxie]

It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

Just to clarify. What would be considered a secondary market???

Not DC, NYC, Chicago, or LA.

[Anonymous User]

It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

Are you speaking from first-hand experience ITE?

[Anonymous User]

It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

Are you speaking from first-hand experience ITE?

First hand experience, as in talking to upperclassman and cso at my t14 school.

[Anonymous User]

ALSO, how are people identifying themselves as URM candidates during OCI? Are you putting it in your cover letters or what? There is no real chance to do it otherwise. I wove mine into a cover letter just because I couldn't think of another way to get it out there. Anyone?

[Anonymous User]

It's different with URMS with sub 3.0 GPAs but who go to t14s and apply to secondary markets.

Are you speaking from first-hand experience ITE?

First hand experience, as in talking to upperclassman and cso at my t14 school.

Opposite experience at mine but maybe you're in a higher T14 tier.

[D-hops]

ALSO, how are people identifying themselves as URM candidates during OCI? Are you putting it in your cover letters or what? There is no real chance to do it otherwise. I wove mine into a cover letter just because I couldn't think of another way to get it out there. Anyone?

Membership or leadership positions in a diverse student group (e.g. BLSA)

[de5igual]

ALSO, how are people identifying themselves as URM candidates during OCI? Are you putting it in your cover letters or what? There is no real chance to do it otherwise. I wove mine into a cover letter just because I couldn't think of another way to get it out there. Anyone?

Any URM or other minority with enough foresight would have joined one of the diversity organizations