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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:47 am

OP: Are you near finalizing a bid list? If so, mind sharing it here? (or I can PM you if you prefer.)

Others: How different should a CLS below median bid list be from below median at HLS?

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:10 pm

5ky wrote:At UVa (where that poster goes):

3.3+ = median and above3.4 + = top third-ish and above
3.5 + = top quarter-ish and above
3.6 + = top 15%ish and above
3.7+ = LR grade-on-ish and above, around top 6-7%


LOL meaning half of the class has an awful shot at a firm job.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby 5ky » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:18 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
5ky wrote:At UVa (where that poster goes):

3.3+ = median and above3.4 + = top third-ish and above
3.5 + = top quarter-ish and above
3.6 + = top 15%ish and above
3.7+ = LR grade-on-ish and above, around top 6-7%


LOL meaning half of the class has an awful shot at a firm job.



Uhh...okay? I would say this was QO, but I don't think below median at Duke is any better. What's your problem?

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby quakeroats » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:42 pm

5ky wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
5ky wrote:At UVa (where that poster goes):

3.3+ = median and above3.4 + = top third-ish and above
3.5 + = top quarter-ish and above
3.6 + = top 15%ish and above
3.7+ = LR grade-on-ish and above, around top 6-7%


LOL meaning half of the class has an awful shot at a firm job.



Uhh...okay? I would say this was QO, but I don't think below median at Duke is any better. What's your problem?


1. That wasn't me. 2. The poster seems to be joking that the earlier numbers can't be right, because if they were then only those at or above median have a shot at a firm job. For what it's worth, you're both misreading something.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby 5ky » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:46 pm

quakeroats wrote:1. That wasn't me. 2. The poster seems to be joking that the earlier numbers can't be right, because if they were then only those at or above median have a shot at a firm job. For what it's worth, you're both misreading something.


Yeah, I know -- that was a joke. I guess I just don't understand what the other person was trying to say. Below median at any non-HYS school isn't a good place to be.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby jaymoney » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:47 pm

RVP11, thank you for the list. Extremely helpful. Cheers --

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:12 pm

5ky wrote:
quakeroats wrote:1. That wasn't me. 2. The poster seems to be joking that the earlier numbers can't be right, because if they were then only those at or above median have a shot at a firm job. For what it's worth, you're both misreading something.


Yeah, I know -- that was a joke. I guess I just don't understand what the other person was trying to say. Below median at any non-HYS school isn't a good place to be.


I was trying to say that things have really gotten absurd with legal hiring. At every school 50 percent of the class has to come out at or below the median.
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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby nymario » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:20 pm

Anonymous User wrote: At every school 50 percent of the class has to come out at or below the mean.


Strictly speaking this is false. At every school, 50 percent of the class has to come out below the median.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby tgwwtkwtgn » Tue Jul 12, 2011 3:55 pm

Let's say a class has ten students with the following gpas:
3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.0

In this case only 10% is below median while 100% is at or below median.

statistically.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby nymario » Tue Jul 12, 2011 6:35 pm

tgwwtkwtgn wrote:Let's say a class has ten students with the following gpas:
3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.4, 3.0

In this case only 10% is below median while 100% is at or below median.

statistically.


that is correct. the comment was mainly with regards to the mean, but your point is taken.

a better way of styling the median statement that 50% or more of the students will be at or below median and 50% or more will be at or above it. When the GPAs are discrete, then it turns out that its exactly 50% above and 50% below (slightly higher with an odd number of students - i.e. 99 students with discrete GPAs will yield 50 at or above and 50 at or below - 50.5%)

It will never be the case that it will be under 50% of the class at or (above/below).

It is also true that at most 50% will be (above/below), and this does not require individual GPAs to be discrete.

(anon has corrected the initial error anyway)

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:44 pm

Anonymous User wrote:OP: Are you near finalizing a bid list? If so, mind sharing it here? (or I can PM you if you prefer.)

Others: How different should a CLS below median bid list be from below median at HLS?


Any thoughts on this? Is a CLS below median student better to be closer to, say an NYU below median bid list or a below median HLS bid list--or are the latter two also fairly similar?

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Bronte » Tue Jul 12, 2011 8:52 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
5ky wrote:At UVa (where that poster goes):

3.3+ = median and above3.4 + = top third-ish and above
3.5 + = top quarter-ish and above
3.6 + = top 15%ish and above
3.7+ = LR grade-on-ish and above, around top 6-7%


LOL meaning half of the class has an awful shot at a firm job.


Wouldn't it mean half the chance has an aweful shot at the V15 or whatever the list in question entailed? There's still the rest of the NLJ 250. And then there's still firms that hire outside that. Most T14s are still placing 60%+ into some sort of firm job, and then there's the 10%-ish that does clerkships and the 10%-ish that does PI by self-selection. I wouldn't want to be below median at any school, but let's not exaggerate. (Joke or not, felt like making the point. Not that this shit hasn't be rehashed hundreds of times on here.)

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby bceagles182 » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:42 pm

To answer an earlier question, I have it on good authority that these numbers do shift for CCN (i.e. I worked as a paralegal at one of the "Super Grade Selective" firms on this list, and I spoke to people on the hiring committee there).

Sorry I can't be more specific, but fwiw the cutoff at my old firm was ~3.5 for CCN callbacks.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:48 pm

Bronte wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
5ky wrote:At UVa (where that poster goes):

3.3+ = median and above3.4 + = top third-ish and above
3.5 + = top quarter-ish and above
3.6 + = top 15%ish and above
3.7+ = LR grade-on-ish and above, around top 6-7%


LOL meaning half of the class has an awful shot at a firm job.


Wouldn't it mean half the chance has an aweful shot at the V15 or whatever the list in question entailed? There's still the rest of the NLJ 250. And then there's still firms that hire outside that. Most T14s are still placing 60%+ into some sort of firm job, and then there's the 10%-ish that does clerkships and the 10%-ish that does PI by self-selection. I wouldn't want to be below median at any school, but let's not exaggerate. (Joke or not, felt like making the point. Not that this shit hasn't be rehashed hundreds of times on here.)


The 60-70% numbers we have are for 2L summer. During 2L summer, nearly everyone who ultimately does a clerkship and a lot of people who ultimately do government will do a firm job. So given 70% placement in 2L SAs, the ultimate NLJ250 stat is going to look like ~55-60%.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:51 pm

bceagles182 wrote:To answer an earlier question, I have it on good authority that these numbers do shift for CCN (i.e. I worked as a paralegal at one of the "Super Grade Selective" firms on this list, and I spoke to people on the hiring committee there).

Sorry I can't be more specific, but fwiw the cutoff at my old firm was ~3.5 for CCN callbacks.


This is pretty common knowledge. Almost all of the V15 firms are NYC based, so it isn't surprising that the cutoffs shift for CCN. For the non NYC firms though, the cutoffs are the same for NYU and the rest of the top 14. For Columbia and Chicago the difference depends on the non NYC market.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby rayiner » Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:11 pm

bceagles182 wrote:To answer an earlier question, I have it on good authority that these numbers do shift for CCN (i.e. I worked as a paralegal at one of the "Super Grade Selective" firms on this list, and I spoke to people on the hiring committee there).

Sorry I can't be more specific, but fwiw the cutoff at my old firm was ~3.5 for CCN callbacks.


I don't thunk Cravath or Sullivan are as super grade selective as Cov or W&C. Both called back down to 3.6 at NU last year, which is above top 1/3 but outside top 1/4.




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