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Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:04 pm

Below median at HYS, but am going to bid on a few v15 firms just because of their huge class sizes. Any suggestions on which are less grade selective and more personality selective? No significant WE if that matters.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby thesealocust » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:06 pm

Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby seriouslyinformative » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:23 pm

Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby quakeroats » Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:37 pm

thesealocust wrote:Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.


Here's the list. V25 is (slightly) less arbitrary than V15.

1 Wachtell
2 Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP
3 Sullivan & Cromwell LLP
4 Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP and Affiliates
5 Davis Polk & Wardwell
6 Simpson Thacher & Bartlett LLP
7 Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP
8 Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP
9 Kirkland & Ellis LLP
10 Covington & Burling LLP
11 Latham & Watkins LLP
12 Debevoise & Plimpton LLP
13 Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP
13 Williams & Connolly LLP
14 Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP
15 Sidley Austin LLP
16 Quinn Emanuel Urquhart & Sullivan LLP
17 Boies, Schiller & Flexner LLP
18 White & Case LLP
19 Jones Day
20 Arnold & Porter LLP
21 WilmerHale
22 O'Melveny & [deleted] LLP
23 Morrison & Foerster LLP
24 Shearman & Sterling LLP
25 Ropes & Gray LLP

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 3:02 pm

need this type of information...

what about the rest of the v100? which are the least grade selective firms in that group?

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:10 pm

thesealocust wrote:Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

Covington NY is incredibly selective. They have only four or five SAs this year. The DC office gets more attention but also hires many more people.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby thesealocust » Tue Jul 05, 2011 6:33 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
thesealocust wrote:Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

Covington NY is incredibly selective. They have only four or five SAs this year. The DC office gets more attention but also hires many more people.


Duly noted, that makes sense. I've also heard it's one of the most gorgeous offices in the city...

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby seriouslyinformative » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:15 pm

thesealocust wrote:
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thesealocust wrote:Skadden and Weil, probably. If GDC is V15 (I don't really keep track) it's NYC office would probably make the list. Potentially Covington's as well, though I've never actually looked into it, I just know their DC office is more popular so it's plausible their NYC office is less selective.

Covington NY is incredibly selective. They have only four or five SAs this year. The DC office gets more attention but also hires many more people.


Duly noted, that makes sense. I've also heard it's one of the most gorgeous offices in the city...


Eh it's the NYTimes building. And that in and of itself, as a "brand new" building, enhances things. But I think there are nicer offices in the city.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Aston2412 » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:25 pm

Yea but how many people get to see Image


when they walk into work every day? That's worth something (on top of your exorbitant salary).

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby seriouslyinformative » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:36 pm

Aston2412 wrote:Yea but how many people get to see Image


when they walk into work every day? That's worth something (on top of your exorbitant salary).


I don't really care for it. And the location sucks too.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Bronte » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:38 pm

I don't think the economy is quite good enough yet for us to be too picky about the firm's facilities.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:44 pm

Aston2412 wrote:Yea but how many people get to see Image


when they walk into work every day? That's worth something (on top of your exorbitant salary).

I don't see that when I walk to work. You only see that if you're coming out of the Port Authority. Most people making an exorbitant salary don't take the bus to work. They take the subway to Times Square and go in through the side of the building without ever seeing the front.

It is nice on the inside, but that depends on which law firm you're visiting. They each have their own interior design.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby seriouslyinformative » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:46 pm

Bronte wrote:I don't think the economy is quite good enough yet for us to be too picky about the firm's facilities.


That's such an interesting point. I never realized a discussion on facilities meant we were being picky about them. The things you learn!

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:51 pm

seriouslyinformative wrote:Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.


At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:10 pm

APimpNamedSlickback wrote:I've heard people say that Davis Polk places *relatively* less emphasis on grades. Not sure whether that means that someone below median has a legit shot, however.


At my school, median callback GPA at DPW ~= S&C > Cleary ~= STB ~= Skadden. Might be different at CLS/NYU.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:11 pm

seriouslyinformative wrote:
Aston2412 wrote:Yea but how many people get to see Image


when they walk into work every day? That's worth something (on top of your exorbitant salary).


I don't really care for it. And the location sucks too.


+1.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:13 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
seriouslyinformative wrote:Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.


At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).


Paul Weiss is snobby about the non HYSCCN schools.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby SweetnessUVA » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:24 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
seriouslyinformative wrote:Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.


At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).


Hmm. I wonder why CSO doesn't trust the students with revealing GPA information...

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Anonymous User » Tue Jul 05, 2011 10:42 pm

SweetnessUVA wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
seriouslyinformative wrote:Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.


At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).


Hmm. I wonder why CSO doesn't trust the students with revealing GPA information...


Lol @ "revealing." I posted it because it's helpful for other students -- tell me how it harms UVa.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Bronte » Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:11 pm

Anonymous User wrote:Lol @ "revealing." I posted it because it's helpful for other students -- tell me how it harms UVa.


The argument is that it can cause firms to increase their selectively if they feel they're underselective relative to their peers. I don't really buy it. I think they're mostly as grade selective as they can be / want to be.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby seriouslyinformative » Wed Jul 06, 2011 6:43 am

Anonymous User wrote:
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seriouslyinformative wrote:Weil, Skadden, Paul Weiss, and GDC NY are your best bets. Covington NY is a good notch above them in selectivity. Kirkland is worth a bid since it seems like they sometimes step out the grading standards for particiular people. Same with Cleary, and to a lesser extent Simpson and Debevoise.


At least from UVA, Paul Weiss is pretty selective. None of their callbacks last year went to students with GPAs below a 3.6 (slightly above top 15%). The only other firms that didn't dip below that level last year, 3.6, were Boies, SullCrom, and Cravath. (This is all for NYC).


Paul Weiss is snobby about the non HYSCCN schools.


Yeah, they've regularly offered people well beyond the top third and below median at my T6.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby Vronsky » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:03 am

Speaking of firm facilities, does anyone know of a way to find pics of various firms' offices in NY? How does everyone know "oh that place is in a nice new building" or "has gorgeous facilities" besides just visiting the place?

i've tried various avenues to check out the firms' pads such as google image search and flickr, but haven't found much. any ideas? firms' websites generally have little to offer.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

Postby seriouslyinformative » Wed Jul 06, 2011 9:14 am

Vronsky wrote:Speaking of firm facilities, does anyone know of a way to find pics of various firms' offices in NY? How does everyone know "oh that place is in a nice new building" or "has gorgeous facilities" besides just visiting the place?

i've tried various avenues to check out the firms' pads such as google image search and flickr, but haven't found much. any ideas? firms' websites generally have little to offer.


Callbacks.

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Re: Least grade selective v15 firms?

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