Top Law Schools

How do you find these.

http://www.martindale.com/

you can narrow your search by size/practice/city etc.

what do these "shit" law firms pay?

what do these "shit" law firms pay?

Rule of thumb is about what a teacher with say 1-3 years experience in the same region makes. It sucks to go to school for 3 years and work 50 weeks a year for the same salary as a 23 year old with a summer vacation, but you don't have to deal with teenagers.

This site is reasonably tolerable for salary info, though probably skewed toward larger firms: http://www.infirmation.com/shared/insider/payscale.tcl

Yes shit law pays shit but the richest lawyers in America all started in shit law and don't work in big law. Great achievement is usually born of great sacrifice.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2001/0514/132.html

Anonymous User wrote:Yes shit law pays shit but the richest lawyers in America all started in shit law and don't work in big law. Great achievement is usually born of great sacrifice.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2001/0514/132.html

Echt?

When my grandpa went to law school they said.
The A students will work in big firms.
They B students will be judges.
The C students will be millionaires.

But there are a thousand versions of that.

But here's a story with one version.
When my grandpa had his first law firm job, the firm decided to give one of the associates a promotion. The two candidates were my grandpa (Brooklyn law, JAG in Korea) and a kid from CLS. They asked them both how they would file a certain motion.
The kid from CLS came back an hour later with a brilliant exposition.
Grandpa came back after 5 minutes with the answer- he called the courthouse and asked.
A little common sense usually beats a clueless 4.0

lawgod wrote:When my grandpa went to law school they said.
The A students will work in big firms.
They B students will be judges.
The C students will be millionaires.

But there are a thousand versions of that.

But here's a story with one version.
When my grandpa had his first law firm job, the firm decided to give one of the associates a promotion. The two candidates were my grandpa (Brooklyn law, JAG in Korea) and a kid from CLS. They asked them both how they would file a certain motion.
The kid from CLS came back an hour later with a brilliant exposition.
Grandpa came back after 5 minutes with the answer- he called the courthouse and asked.
A little common sense usually beats a clueless 4.0

I recall this story vividly. My grandpa was that "kid from CLS." He made his first billion five years later. Let me know if your old fart needs help procuring a scooter.

Kindest personal regards,
Jerry Greene, III

P.S.: The grandpa's name was Albert Einstein.

Anonymous User wrote:Yes shit law pays shit but the richest lawyers in America all started in shit law and don't work in big law. Great achievement is usually born of great sacrifice.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2001/0514/132.html

For every plaintiff's attorney making a million, there are 5 who can barely afford to pay rent on their tiny little office, and another 10 who make a very modest salary. And this is coming from someone who probably wants to do P's work longterm and has often touted P's work on TLS.

Plaintiff's work can be much more lucrative, no doubt. A successful P's attorney 5-10 years out will probably be crushing his former classmates who went the big defense firm route financially. But it doesn't always work out that way, and if you can't kill what you eat, you probably won't get very far. Also, those millionaires are doing complex, high-end P's work, not running some mom and pop PI shop.

lawgod wrote:The kid from CLS came back an hour later with a brilliant exposition.
Grandpa came back after 5 minutes with the answer

And then at the end of the year, grandpa was fired for not meeting his billable hour requirements, while the kid from CLS got a raise and a bonus. Biglaw has some perverse incentives.

lawgod wrote: The A students will work in big firms.
They B students will be judges.
The C students will be millionaires.

this makes me wonder what the requirements are to run for judge of traffic court. I can't imagine traffic court judges have baller campaign managers....

The A students become law professors.
The B students work for the large law firms & become rich.
The C law students become judges.

TheFriendlyBarber wrote:

lawgod wrote:When my grandpa went to law school they said.
The A students will work in big firms.
They B students will be judges.
The C students will be millionaires.

But there are a thousand versions of that.

But here's a story with one version.
When my grandpa had his first law firm job, the firm decided to give one of the associates a promotion. The two candidates were my grandpa (Brooklyn law, JAG in Korea) and a kid from CLS. They asked them both how they would file a certain motion.
The kid from CLS came back an hour later with a brilliant exposition.
Grandpa came back after 5 minutes with the answer- he called the courthouse and asked.
A little common sense usually beats a clueless 4.0

I recall this story vividly. My grandpa was that "kid from CLS." He made his first billion five years later. Let me know if your old fart needs help procuring a scooter.

Kindest personal regards,
Jerry Greene, III

Heh heh. No, Grandpa got a partner and made a little office way out on long island where they settled auto accident cases with insurance companies and never did any work. In at 10, 2 hour lunch, gone at 4. Rolling in the cash.

lawgod wrote: Heh heh. No, Grandpa got a partner and made a little office way out on long island where they settled auto accident cases with insurance companies and never did any work. In at 10, 2 hour lunch, gone at 4. Rolling in the cash.

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