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top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Anonymous User » Wed Jun 29, 2011 8:35 pm

any shot at biglaw? which firms should I bid on?

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby PeanutHead » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:02 am

I would bid on the quasi BigLaw firms in Baltimore and probably your home market. Either way odds are not so good-check out the link below which lists 250 placement based on law school. UMd is around 12%.

http://pdfserver.amlaw.com/nlj/goto%20law%20schools_main.pdf

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:39 am

Wow.

That link is really depressing. I guess it doesn't include people that opt not to shoot for BigLaw. But still.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby ndirish2010 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:24 am

Aston2412 wrote:Wow.

That link is really depressing. I guess it doesn't include people that opt not to shoot for BigLaw. But still.


Wait, you've never seen that and you've been on TLS how long?

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:28 am

Everyone talks about the bleak outlook, but to see it quantified, especially for those of us below the 40% placement mark, is just really...real?

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby PeanutHead » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:59 am

Yup its real. Granted some of the stats are a little skewed due to clerkships (Yale's "ranking" for example), but for schools like UMd, the reality is that basically 10% of the class is going to BigLaw. What is even worse is that there are about 100 law schools that are ranked worse than UMd.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:18 pm

Well obviously you have to figure PI, govt and clerkships into it. And certainly I assume T3 rankings skew slightly more towards academia and clerkships.

But still.
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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby ndirish2010 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:20 pm

PeanutHead wrote:Yup its real. Granted some of the stats are a little skewed due to clerkships (Yale's "ranking" for example), but for schools like UMd, the reality is that basically 10% of the class is going to BigLaw. What is even worse is that there are about 100 law schools that are ranked worse than UMd.


150+

Aston2412 wrote:Well obviously you have to figure PI, govt and clerkships into it.

But still.


Not many UMd kids are getting great clerkships or biggov.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:24 pm

Sorry, I'm not really talking UMD. I'm thinking more T30 ish.

Also I didn't realize that BU and BC placed so highly, but I guess that's their appeal to the Boston market.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby IrwinM.Fletcher » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:28 pm

Just wait for the c/o 2011 numbers this spring. I'm guessing maybe 20-25 schools cracked 10%.

It will be fantastic if this year's OCI at many non T14 schools can match the c/o 2010 numbers. It's gonna be an uphill battle.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby ndirish2010 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:32 pm

IrwinM.Fletcher wrote:Just wait for the c/o 2011 numbers this spring. I'm guessing maybe 20-25 schools cracked 10%.

It will be fantastic if this year's OCI at many non T14 schools can match the c/o 2010 numbers. It's gonna be an uphill battle.


Doubt it is that bad. I would expect 2013 to be somewhere between 2009 and 2010 (closer to 2010).

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:35 pm

Just looking at NALP 2010-2011 summers it seems like most firms are in an upswing or at least holding steady. I wouldn't expect numbers to decrease and might even expect a bit of an increase. C/O 2013 should be in a better position than the last two for SAs.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby IrwinM.Fletcher » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:37 pm

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby IrwinM.Fletcher » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:40 pm

Aston2412 wrote:Just looking at NALP 2010-2011 summers it seems like most firms are in an upswing or at least holding steady. I wouldn't expect numbers to decrease and might even expect a bit of an increase. C/O 2013 should be in a better position than the last two for SAs.


Of course. But keep in mind that c/o 2010 went through OCI before Lehman Brothers happened, and their numbers were STILL that bad because of higher no-offer rates (something like 65% offers as opposed to 85% offers last year). Their summer class size was still literally 2x what this year's class size will be.

c/o 2013> c/o 2011, obvz. However, I'm not so sure c/o 2013 will be > c/o 2010 for much of T1.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby ndirish2010 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:42 pm

Numbers will certainly decrease next year (2009 to 2010 SAs), but I think they'll be more than 25 schools placing 10%.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:51 pm

Just to clarify, C/O we're referring to graduating in 201X right?

Because people that summered in 09 we're c/o 2010. Ropes DC had 22 summers in 09, so 22 for c/o 2010. Ropes DC had 9 summers for 2010, so 9 for c/0 2011. Ropes DC is "expecting" 16 for 2011, so anticipated 16 for c/o 2012. That's an upswing between c/o 2011 and c/0 2012. I know Ropes DC is only one office of one firm (Ropes numbers are up across the board, for the record), but these numbers are indicative of the trend I've noticed across NALP as a whole (however reliable you feel that information to be).

An above poster said he'd expect numbers for 2013 closer to 2010. If he means c/o 2010 then he's arguing for an upswing between this year and last year (for OCI purposes at least). If he means the actual summers positions in 2010 then he's anticipating a downswing.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby IrwinM.Fletcher » Thu Jun 30, 2011 12:57 pm

Aston2412 wrote:Just to clarify, C/O we're referring to graduating in 201X right?

Because people that summered in 09 we're c/o 2010. Ropes DC had 22 summers in 09, so 22 for c/o 2010. Ropes DC had 9 summers for 2010, so 9 for c/0 2011. Ropes DC is "expecting" 16 for 2011, so anticipated 16 for c/o 2012. That's an upswing between c/o 2011 and c/0 2012. I know Ropes DC is only one office of one firm (Ropes numbers are up across the board, for the record), but these numbers are indicative of the trend I've noticed across NALP as a whole (however reliable you feel that information to be).

An above poster said he'd expect numbers for 2013 closer to 2010. If he means c/o 2010 then he's arguing for an upswing between this year and last year (for OCI purposes at least). If he means the actual summers positions in 2010 then he's anticipating a downswing.


Are you a 0L?

Of course c/o 2010 = people who graduated in 2010.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:00 pm

No, I'm a rising 2L. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing something in translation because I couldn't see the logic behind anticipating a downswing between summer 2011 (c/o 12) and summer 2012 (c/o 13).

Additionally 95% of the people I know from c/o 2010 (which is a substantial number) found the employment that they wanted or were at least satisfied with. So maybe c/o 2010 is down compared to what came before, but it's certainly up compared to c/o 2011 and 2012.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby IrwinM.Fletcher » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:06 pm

Aston2412 wrote:No, I'm a rising 2L. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing something in translation because I couldn't see the logic behind anticipating a downswing between summer 2011 (c/o 12) and summer 2012 (c/o 13).


Who said this?

The comparison was between c/o 2010 and 2013. Of course 2011 is the nadir. Totally undisputed.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:18 pm

Lol - thanks for making me look up nadir. That's going to be a useful word to have in my vocabulary.

I apparently got confused as to what we were comparing.
Numbers will certainly decrease next year (2009 to 2010 SAs)


That's the one that did it to me.

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby IrwinM.Fletcher » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:23 pm

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Re: top 25% maryland-bid strategy?

Postby Aston2412 » Thu Jun 30, 2011 1:28 pm

IrwinM.Fletcher wrote:
Heh. I hope I'm wrong and c/o 2013 kicks ass this fall. I'm not a doomsayer by any means, and I do think we're in the middle of long, slooooow sustained recovery. I'm just disappointed by the number of employers visiting my school and most others who are outside the T14. We've got something like 45 this year, up from like 43 last year, but down from 110 in 2008.

Tough sledding ahead, time to see how much hustle we've got.


Ouch. That sucks dude. I didn't realize the drop off was that huge. I know GW has fewer recruiters coming this year than in the past (I know several high profile DC firms that came for c/o 2010 but aren't coming for c/o 2013) but we still have 142 doing OCI and 16 for our NY regional. The ones doing resume collect brings us up to 220 overall, but who counts resume collect?




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